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my 1st crvtec build

Discussion in 'Engine Building' started by achir21, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. achir21

    achir21 New Member

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    hi there honda fans !

    i'm going through my 1st crvtec build, i'm gonna do it right, on the 1st time, and i wanna share my experiences with you.

    of course the build isn't gonna start now, as im waiting for parts to arrive

    in mean a little ride on my garage:



    My Civic, not the pretiest one on this forum, but the chassis/suspnsion and the interior are both in good shape!
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    bur where is what.
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    it give's you an idea of the previous owner, sleep baby.... coz ur gonna be twisted :p
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    Let's check upstairs
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    hey that ali baba's cave...... jdm one.... :p
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    when i say twisted, twisted :p.... a B20Z1
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    it cost me a lot, but the block in good shape, cylinders are still in spec
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    i've done a deglazing
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    the B16A2 Head
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    didn't resist to put the head on the block, juste to see how it looks like...
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    kick some ass, no doubts, Honda best inline 4 !


    ALL the remaining engine parts were cleaned, plastifed, and arranged in this cupboard
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    almost new crank ! !
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    i love this tranny, shame it doesn't have an LSD..... maybe one day !
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    so i'm planning to make a reliable engine, with stock internals except for the rod bolts, wanna make power aound 6k ~ 7k ..... so my head and mainfold are juste pefect for the job !

    same for the compression, don't wanna go more than 10.5 so stock pistons are good for me, thats becoz we don't have high grade gas on our country.....

    i'll be reconditioning my valve seat, with my self as the machinists don't have the proper tools :( ..... anyway many little things to do.... but no biggy ::)

    i'll be posting while i'll be working :) .... thx 4 watching :)
     
  2. Luis998

    Luis998 Honda Enthusiast

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    That's awesome man. Congratulations on getting your build off the ground. I wish I had a garage like yours. Heck, I wish I had a garage all together. I wish you the best and look forward to reading about your progress. :thumbsup:
     
  3. BrutalB83

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    Nice little project here! :thumbsup:
     
  4. achir21

    achir21 New Member

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    hi there


    this evening the machinist finally finished my tool that i was waiting for soooo long :p ..

    here it is :)
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    as u can see its much much easier to use than any other spring comp
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    now that all valves r removed, let's chack the valve seat

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    :eek: look like they really need reconditionning .... i wonder how the car was able to go at 225km/h....


    the ports were clogged ....... they needed a cleanning, as for the seats a little gentel didn't hurt them, just to remove

    the DIRTS :mad:

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    tomorrow i'll finish cleanning the ports, valves, after that i'll be lapping the valve (althout i hate it) so stay tuned :)
     
  5. klyph

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    Love to see people do the work themselves :thumbsup:

    And that spring compressor is awesome, great idea.
     
  6. Luis998

    Luis998 Honda Enthusiast

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    Indeed. :thumbsup:
     
  7. BrokenRex

    BrokenRex New Member

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    that spring compressor is the shit. however i do have one single recommendation. i seen you "deglazed" your cylinder bores. you'll need to use new rings when you slap that all back together first and foremost, but if i were you, i'd get some pistons with rings in a slightly larger size than factory. have the cylinders individually honed to match each piston. anytime you have the opportunity to do this, i highly recommend it. i wish i had done it to my b16 when i had it apart. now i have to wait for a fresh rebuild to do it right.

    other than that though, great thread. keep the updates coming. cant wait to see your finished product.
     
  8. achir21

    achir21 New Member

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    hi im back after some loong holidays

    i just ordered stuff for the engine like the timing belt, vtec line, 310cc injectors, rod bolts and some high comp pistons,

    talking about the pistons, i've ordered cheap ones with a 7cc dome that allows me to raise the CR to about 11:9 !
    after buying them, i just wondered if its POSSIBLE to RUN the engine with these pistons with the original B16A2 cams ?

    well I've been reading a lot about static and dynamic compression and i just couldn't confirm if this combo is possible,

    anyone that tried high compression with B16A2 cams ? i know theses cams sucks, but for the moment i can't spend any further for the cams.....

    thx for helping me....
     
  9. daveholiday

    daveholiday Do work

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    Nice build, I'm in for the ride.

    Sorry, I can't help you with your compression question on the piston/cams combo
     
  10. achir21

    achir21 New Member

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    hello everybody

    don't ever think that i give up on da build, or that im just too much busy enjoying the torque, or worse the engine blow.. :p

    no acctually after 4 months of suffering, desperate, calls, 'hi man, plz can u see with with ur friends credit card'.......etc.....


    i think that anyone who alredy try to build an engine knows what im talking about, the hardest part is to buy things, and wait for them..... so imagine the same thing but in a country without a Crédit Card, and with a rubish postal service, all ways were closed for me ! ...



    anyway
    thanks for a member of my familly who helped me buying everything and sending them to me :)


    ok so here's the parts ! (no big deal right...) but so diffcult to finally reach my hands :p

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    -lots of gasket and o-rings
    Head Gasket
    ITR Timing Belt
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    for the most important par here's the pistons, the pistons tha came with my bloc were all worn and so the bores, so instead of buying OEM pistons or exepensive forged, i found theses "nice" 85mm cast pistons, coated with teflon, with their rings, not exeeding 220$ ! !


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    to feed up the additional 420cc in displacement bigger injectors are needed,
    theses are 315cc



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    ARE Rod Bolts !.... just to be on the safe side :)


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    VTEC Line, a must, this is an Earl's Kit


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    the Cylinders were rebored to 85m.


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    honed with fine pattern at 45° and even a chamfer at tops of the cylinders to "encourage" the rings to go into the cylinders



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    the head has been prepared also, the VTEC orifice has been tapped and ready to receive its plug, les dowel pins were moved to the exhaust side, clogged port were roghly cleaned, and head was given a fresh face to ensure a good gasket !



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    ah almost forgot thoes littles babys, the magnetics plugs, one for the tranny and the other for the engine :)




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    ok now let's do it :)............ see u soon :) honda friends !!
     
  11. P7ank5te7

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    Nice work bro. Hope it comes together really well.
     
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    man you make me jealous... i wish i could build my crvtec like that. looks like a nice build, keep us updated
     
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    very good work your your first build looks like you are more organized than some profesional shops
     
  14. achir21

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    hi everybody, how r u doing :m)

    thx for the intention...... it motivates me

    ok, let's get to the...


    BUILD !

    unfortunatly becoz no one was helping me on the 1st and 2nd day, i didn't take a lot of pictures...

    first i got to confirm that we can use the OEM VTEC Oil Cooler on any B-Series !

    in my case i used the one of my breaked B16 bloc....


    all u need is:


    1 the radiator, the water pump's pipe, the 2 hoses, the banjo, and a new O-Ring may help good sealing !


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    2- after u must remove the non oil cooler banjo, the trick of using 2 bolts works perfectly fine here
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    the VTEC vs non VTEC Banjo
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    3- must go to ur machinist, must drill and tap the hole for the pipe !
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    as u can see its looks and fit like stock !,
    sorry for the tape work, the knock sensor that i bought didn't have the same plug so.........
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    in the end, u have a water-oil-cooler, its good since it warms up the oil faster, and cools it also....



    ok, 1st day, the build started at 15h, after a whole day, the bloc is fully built, it was difficult to mate it with the tranny since we didn't have the clutch pointer, so it tooked a whole night !

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    here we can see the T fitting, the oil pressure sensor and the VTEC Line
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    well that was the 1st day !

    2nd day, that started at 14h...

    i started with the valves, easy with my tool ;)
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    after the rocker arms.... no pic
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    the intake.....
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    and the Rail & Injectors
    the injectors that they send me were designed for the 325i BMW E30.... and they didn't fit do well...... all i did was using the cushion rings of the old injectors and hope for the best
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    here we can clearly see that they don't fit properly
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    at the left the new water temp sensor
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    at the end of the day, we decided to mount the bloc-tranny on the car
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    almost there
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    witht the material help of our neighbour-hood
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    finally its in...
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    3rd and last day.....

    good morning ! starting with wiring....
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    if we can call this like that.....
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    the bloc seems ready for its marriage....
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    its in.... becoz the B20 is 7mm taller than the B16, the intake stiffner didn't mate with the bloc anymore so all we did was put some washers in between the manifold and its stiffner, and it worked.....
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    the cams, i lubbed the hell out of them, i used a SAE40 Heavy Duty Oil for all the lubbing process of the engine, even used it for the 1st startup, its more like honeywell ......hihi
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    its strating to take shape, the valve lash break my back.....
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    some things left, right......
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    my friends weren't really helping me..... they werer busy posing...
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    overall its ready ! while i was plugging the gages, my friends go searsh some gas for me !


    finally at midnight !
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    notice that i quickly stop the engine coz it did go straight to 2krpm... its then i realised that i forget clogging the the PCV opening on the Intake...

    the injectors were working fine.... no leaks......... ouf !! !
    it was great to see everything (water temperature, Oil Pressure !!)

    i hated this before on my honda... its no longer the case !

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    the day after i got out for the first break-in session, after 2km driving, the car just stop..... just like the drive-shafts were gone ! ..... and it did....
    the only mistake in the build was to not properly put the passenger drive-shaft !


    my impressions, yes theres low-bottow torque but i was somehow expecting more.... but when the VTEC engage at 5500 (late) its really faster than i thought, in fact its so fast the clutch spin in 4th and 5th gear ! ! !

    now im with the Break-In, i choose the hard method, the one you make a lot of oil changes, and accelerate and engine break as much as i can...


    here u can see after the 50km oil change, the metal shaving that the bolt catched !!
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    u can't see clearly but theres really a lot out there.... i love theses bolts !

    this morning that removed the tranny bolt and i have found 3 times more :eek: ..
    really, i can't imagine how the tranny was suffering with all theses metal shavings......


    so here we are, thx for watching, and see u soon with a new video !
     
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    thats awesome man... you obviously know what you are doing
     
  16. achir21

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    hi everybody


    right now the car has 1300km

    oil consumtion is 1l - 1000km
    it doesn't smoke, but i have to say that my break in is agressive
    some short blast up to 7800rpm,....... lots of engine break


    even my cylinder honing pattern was done @ 45° vs 60° in OEM Spec, wich doesn't help ring seal, but help better ring lubrication..

    anyways how can u read my plug ?

    its a BKR6E

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    i'll say that its hot of a plug, rich A/F Ratio, and a bit too much of timing...

    but i don't understand that sand like look on the insulator ? can u help me reading my plug... i need help :) thx
     
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    What cams and valve train did you go with?
     
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    all stock from the EK4 (B16A2)
     
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    Why? You put ARP's in the rods and went with slightly higher compression why not benefit from that and put in some better cams along with springs/retainers?
     
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