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Obama from the eyes of a Soldier

Discussion in 'Members' Lounge' started by peeonu25, Sep 7, 2008.

  1. peeonu25

    peeonu25 New Member

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    im sure you can find a soldier that thinks just the opposite
     
  3. dacheat

    dacheat ..is grounded.

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    for the sake of just pointing it out: more people in the armed forces financially supported ron paul (proponent of gtfo) than supported all of the other primary candidates combined.

    there are always going to be conflicting opinions. i hear what the kid in the vid has to say, but i can also get behind the idea that we should gtfo before we flat can't. also iraq wants us out, they're demanding a timeline.


    :shrug:
     
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    He's a soldier, what do you expect? Don't you know they brainwash their people in the armed forces?
     
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    B16RacerN2NR Working Hard VIP

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    I'm gonna wait for the former and current HS members that are/were in the military to chime in... I'm gonna go grab some :popcorn:
     
  6. hondarin

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    i've never been in the military, but i know two people personally who were. from those two case studies, if you go in just a lil messed up in the head, you're gonna come out completely fucked.

    on the other hand if you're well adjusted individual, then you'll prolly be okay. however, it seems that many well adjusted people would not even think of joining the military.... catch 22.

    i think it prolly takes a person with a low level of emotional variation to go in and come out the same
     
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    Your kidding right?
     
  8. BigJ

    BigJ I'm just about that action Boss. VIP

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    I have a few friends in Iraq. All are opposed to the war and are supporting Obama. My best friend had so many problems with demons from killing families, they have him on anti-depressants, but he's still there.


    And yes. Chaz is right. It's just like the brainwashing that goes on at the dinner table in your average home with papa preaching and the kids following his/her political ideology, their entire life because that's what they were taught.
     
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    No, I'm not kidding. My Dad was in the Marines for 13 years and is finishing out his last 7 in the Air National Guard reserves. I see what goes on.

    Obviously it's not all of them. But there sure are plenty of them.
     
  10. gomezkun

    gomezkun Yay for DOHC VTEC ^_^

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    I am active duty and have been to Iraq; actually just got back in July.
    The war has been going on for some time now and the reasons for being there have changed many times. From what I seen, and I am only speakin from my limited experience, but our presence is actually causing good to the people there.
    New found freedoms and the ability for them to develop freely without fear of reprocusion is just something that can't really be explained.

    As far as pulling out....
    I don't know. I can complain about this and that, but I honestly don't have any solutions or anything. I do think that we need to bring my brothers and sisters home, but doing so too soon might cause an uprising against the actual progress made.

    I will serve and do as I am told; we all know our duty when we enlisted.

    Btw, we are not brainwashed about topics. We have our personalities, but we are not robots; we just watch what and how we discuss certain topics/issues.
     
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    where did you hear that? every ron paul fanatic that has ever came through here has gotten the shit smoked out of him for being a brainwashed, racist bastard. if you see someone with a DOD sticker for a local post and a ron paul sticker on their vehicle, their either cherries or some asshole who joined because mcdonalds wasn't supporting his habbits.

    PTSD comes with war, it happens. i have many close friends and family who suffer from it, but people find ways to over come in, video games, singing, drawing, telling your storys and soemtimes it comes down to drinking. and you know what? if youre having them because you "killed a family" then thats your own problem that you followed an unjust order, then again... only the unborn are innocent, theres a reason why the streets clear out before an ambush.

    A lot of people volunteer to go over to iraq, because they feel the cause in just, everyone whos been there has their own opinion, a lot say hell with it and that we need to bomb the hell out of everything there, but they all agree that we need to stay until the job is finished. if you're in the Army or Marines, you most likely know someone who has lost their life in Iraq or Afganistan, if you don't you definitely know someone who has lost a friend or family. so to say it was a mistake, and to say were going to pull out, is only dishonoring the ones who have died and it also means they died in vein.

    you dont have to be brainwashed or a heartless piece of shit to go through war without suffering from PTSD, if you believe in the cause and you know that the people you killed, saved the lives of many, then you did one hell of a good deed. if it takes 10000 civilian deaths to give millions freedom for hundreds of years, i think the pros out weigh the cons. if someone who was innocent got killed in the process, so be it, obviously it was his time to go or he would still be standing today.
     
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    What makes Ron Paul a fanatic? He sticks to republican values. He's not a neo-con like Bush or Mccain.

    I have nothing against our war going on in Afghanistan, but come on, if you still think that Iraq had ties to Al Qaeda you're retarded. Even Bush admitted he was wrong about it.

    You can't justify the deaths of innocent civilians for the freedom of Iraq. We can't be everyones babysitter. And now Iraq is signing some sort of oil contract with China. That's just stupid.
     
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    blah blah defensive 'scared to actually look down the rabbit hole' false rumor rhetoric about racism and brainwashing - dude, read about the founding fathers - the original patriots - and then talk about ron paul, who is simply demanding that we the people go to the document that our nation was founded on rather than the politicians for our playbook. oh, and work on your spelling (which sucks and ruins any chance of someone taking your post seriously).

    the point of my post was to clarify that there is strong military support for gtfo; much like our nation, our military is divided on what we should be doing. those serving in the military serve their country -- us, and the decisions that it/we make - we owe each person in the military their voice and representation in congress and in the white house because it is their blood spilling.

    as for the military support, where didn't i hear that is a more worthy question. anyone without their heads up their bums heard it/read it.

    Military support for the republican candidates The Truth @ The Spin Factor
    Consent Of The Governed: The Military Supports Ron Paul
    this article is dated back in feb of this year, but look at the stats:
    The Raw Story | Fox News asks Ron Paul why he gets most military support while calling for Iraq withdrawal
    An Iraq War Veteran Tells Us Why the Military will Support Ron Paul
     
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    Great post Dacheat, repped.
     
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    thanks, yo.

    this thread isn't/shouldn't be about ron paul. it is/should be about the military's perspective on the upcoming election. and any argument or opinion worth hearing or reading should be able to withstand an opposing argument or opinion.

    if the people can't handle an opinion or argument that conflicts with their own without resorting to defensive blabbering of baseless rhetoric, it simply means that they are not 100% sure of their own stance and are scared they could be wrong.

    :shrug:
     
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    I'm sorry, but if you're trying to convince us that you're not brainwashed, that wasn't a very good argument... :shrug:

    And dacheat, nice post! :thumbsup:
     
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    Capt. Orygun Win the Day

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    I served honorably six years and I have no problem with his statement. I knew going in that what I was doing would preserve the right of any American to make completely ignorant comments.

    But I would advise him to consider this

    His "brainwashed" friends have probably seen much of the world and that world's reality through their own eyes. Largely, while he's been living at "mommy's house". So is it that they're brainwashed, or might his own viewpoint be myopic?
     
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    Nice! I wish more ppl had this train of thought. This statement should put things in a different perspective for a lot of ppl, but for some reason I dont think it will.
     
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    Oh trust me, I've thought about this before. Just because I'm not in the middle of a war doesn't mean I don't have a general understanding what exactly is going on.

    I might have a biased view since I'm not over in the middle of the war, but the people who are over in the middle of the war are also biased.

    But like you said, what do I know? I haven't done any research or talked to all sorts of different people with different perspectives. I'm just living in "mommy's house" right?
     
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    I know people that have seen the world; not in the eyes of a soldier, but in the form of tourist, contract workers, refugees, etc. etc. and they too have their own opinions that differ from each other. They all do agree we had no point in being in Iraq; it seems like America is bullying other countries. They way to do it would've been through an allied unit like NATO or UN. If anything, North Korea is a more serious and direct threat to the US. America is not the world police, and shouldn't be.
     
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