let's make a list. we're always throwing out obnoxious numbers. let's get some real reasons why it sucks, and then order them from 1 to whatever. earthquakes wildfires mudslides housing prices everything gets stolen illegals smog in the air smog laws for cars 91 octane fuel max price of gas gangs/shootings gun laws (added: http://hondaswap.com/members-lounge/official-reason-why-cali-sucks-thread-96239/#post888376) that's all i can think of right now. add yours up, and let's make a master list.