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complicity
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Originally posted by ahedau@Mar 9 2004, 09:35 PM
Mel owns the rights... he's the only one that can release it... unless he changes his mind, don't look for it your video store any time soon.
i heard that it's already on the internet
hey okay i can respect him for making this movie as he's free to do what he wants... but so am i.. and i don't like the fact that this movie was made... it's sad when we need to rely on such a graphic, gory movie of something that was once held sacred to "recruit" (in my local paper today, a catholic priest was quoted actually saying that word regarding getting people to come to church) people back into christianity; it's sad when we need something like this to remind us of why we're here
granted i'm not a perfect christian or anything either but damn, it's almost sick
/rant
I have yet to see it but Friday I have plans to. I'm kind of a religion nerd. I'm not a Christian, but I do think it’s pretty rad this movie was made. And not to "recruit" people into churches, but because I’ve yet to see a movie that depicts the pain Jesus faced accurately. Or so I’m told anyway. I guess Friday we'll see.
Also if you look at it as a purely fictional story, it's still going to be entertaining.
Also if you look at it as a purely fictional story, it's still going to be entertaining.
driverunknown
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pwnt is killing it. stick with pwn3d. DOn't pay attention to the critics just watch it for yourselves and then make up your own mind.
complicity
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i didnt say that mel gibson said that. i said a catholic priest said it.
94RedSiGal
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It just amazes me how naive you Christians are about this movie. PLEASE... it's only a movie. And what do all movies do? They entertain, they are NOT reality, they manipulate your emotions. An excellent example and extreme example of that are horrow movies. You KNOW that the premise of Friday the 13th is impossible, but you all go to see those movies to jump in in your seats and scream away. Another good example is any war movie or any movie with John Wayne in it. Communists and the American Indians are depicted as the bad guys.
The Passion is only Mel Gibson's version of the crucifixion, it may be considered a historical drama... it is not the same as raw news footage. The Passion makes good use of makeup, camera angles and actors. The Passion is NOT REALITY and it is presented to you very very subjectively. It is twisted to the pro-Christian agenda.
yea this movie is crazy good. it realy puts a picture with wut u read in the bible. its great to realy finaly put a picture wit wut he went threw for you. he did all that suffering for you. i love it how Mel. brought out Mother Marry so much in the movie. it realy shows how much of a compasionite woman she realy is. 
id def. recomend seeing it if you have any doubts. dont lissin to the critics they dont know ne thing...
Tyler
id def. recomend seeing it if you have any doubts. dont lissin to the critics they dont know ne thing... Tyler
complicity
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just for the sake of debate...
for some, it's just a movie. for others, it's a way of life.
i mean, it's like "schindler's list", it was just a movie, but it was about the holocaust, which really happened. try telling someone who lived through the holocaust (or had a family member killed in the holocaust) that it was "just a movie". according to some people, the events depicted in "the passion.." really happened, whereas others don't believe they ever occured. it's all a matter of opinion, based on reality (or not, you get the picture).
religion hits close to home, religion hits hard, no matter what form it's in. i don't think these people are being naive or arrogant. a movie was made about something that some of them hold real close to their hearts, what's wrong with getting heated about that?
the "friday the 13th" movies aren't even COMPARABLE to "the passion of the christ". totally unrelated.
and of course there's no "raw news footage" the what's filmed in "the passion". those events occured more than 2000 years ago.
sorry if that didn't make sense i'm at work and trying not to fall asleep.
94RedSiGal
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Of course not. I only mentioned it because so many Christians are raving about The Passion's authenticity. There is absolutely no way for anyone to create real footage after the fact.
are you saying Christ's crucifixion is not real history? now that's arrogant...
my favorite quote of yours by far... A movie about Jesus Christ is pro-Christian? You're kidding me!!
Because we choose to believe something different than you doesn't mean that we are wrong, less intelligent or in any way inferior to you.
This is a MOVIE for God's sake!! We all know that. However, it was not made for entertainment... that's what The Return of the King was made for. Nor was it was made to be a documentary. However, it was made, like a lot of other movies like Schindler's List, to provoke the audience to think. To remind them of REAL history and what one man endured.
that statement is so full of ignorance I don't know where to begin...death by crucifixion after being beaten so badly that you're not regonizable as a human is not "average" geesh!
Yes, man's inhumanity to man is well documented throughout recorded history. This movie and this debate is about ONE man's passion to willingly subject himself to that cruelty because of his unconditional love for all of mankind, even atheist.
This movie, using actors and editing and camera angles and shock and gore is for the purpose of giving what people MUCH more educated that you are I agree is a historically accurate depiction of the event.
Should they be taken as exact, of course not. Anyone foolish enough to think so and to go so far as to say so is not thinking rationally. However, you cannot so easily discount the entire event as hogwash simply because you are not a "believer". That too is irrational.
94RedSiGal
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But what about all of OUR US soldiers in history that willingly sacrificed themselves to fight WWI, WWII and all of the other conflicts? Even our Civil War was horrendous and lengthy in its pain and suffering. So again, Jesus's pain was not unique in his willingness to suffer. There have also been other religious martyrs throughout history and not only Christians. Pacifist buddish monks setting themselves on fire, etc...
Our American soldiers' "passion" is just as significant and actually more impressive to me.
As to my "arrogance", I find many Christians arrogant and also irrational in their beliefs... :roll:
driverunknown
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OK uh Jesus was not even an enemy or a prisoner of war. It's nice you're against the war but what in the hell does that have to do with the movie. If you want to rant about the war in Iraq start or continue another post please.
The only way of knowing real history is to be there for yourself, because I'm sure you know that even "real" history is biased to some extent. I'm sure the Japanese version of WWII is a lot different than the American version.
Just because you don't feel the way others do about a movie doesn't mean that they are naive.
The only way of knowing real history is to be there for yourself, because I'm sure you know that even "real" history is biased to some extent. I'm sure the Japanese version of WWII is a lot different than the American version.
Just because you don't feel the way others do about a movie doesn't mean that they are naive.
94RedSiGal
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More on Christian and religious arrogance... just mind your own business and don't include me in all of that soul-saving plans. Every religion thinks that theirs is the best one. I want none of that contradictory bullshit in my life. I live my life as a good person with integrity. I don't need some bible or koran to keep me being a decent person. Don't try to convert me. I really am so tired of missionary type people throwing their pamphlets in my face. What a fucking waste of paper... and trees. So don't bring up arrogance with me. 
and what is your standard for being a "good person with integrity"?? Does it have any resemblance to 10 precepts brought down a mountain? hmmmmmmmmmmm
again, you are notputing a lot of thought in your post. I challenge you to find any recruit in basic training in ANY countries fighting forces that signed up solely and with the full knowledge that he would one day jump on a granade and save a few of his compatriots.
I didn't bring it up...you did. To think that your idea about religion is the correct way above all others is just as arrogant. Nay, I'd say hypocritical.
I assume that wasn't directed at me...I certainly haven't tried to bring you over from the Dark Side
.. Your will is your way.. Unless you come asking questions, I'm not gonna preach to you..However, I will gladly debate FACTS with you and call you out when you post something that I feel needs a rebutal.