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Originally posted by pissedoffsol+Jun 3 2005, 02:34 PM-->
pissedoffsol @ Jun 3 2005 said:
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@Jun 3 2005, 01:27 AM
Brian, what I was saying is, he issued one verbal warning before threatening her with a taser. A civiclian shouldn't be threatened with that kind of force unless equally provoked. Imagine if that was your wife/girlfriend/mom/sister, would that be a justifiable tase in your eyes then? Not arguing just discussing :)
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i'm not married
i don't have a g/f
my mom doesn't have a cell phone
my sister doesn't have a cell phone either

so, i guess it would never go down like that.... lol

Along the same lines, my mother or girl wouldn't be so rude to a cop for no good reason.
straight up, that woman is trash... i hate people like that. i'd taze her if i had the chance too.
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Haha, when I was typing that, I figured that would be the answer :lol:

Anyway most of my argumemnt stemmed from watching the first video that is on the linked page. If you watch all of them, you do see that she is pretty much a total bitch, but it still doesn't warrant a tase.
 
Originally posted by civicious+Jun 3 2005, 03:10 AM-->
civicious @ Jun 3 2005 said:
I'm not saying the cop was right or wrong. I'm simply stating facts.

1. Cop says he's going to taze you if you don't get out of the car.
2. You don't get out of the car.
3. Cop tazes you.

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And as far as saying it would have been different if it had been a white woman, I completely agree. A white bitch would've gotten the fuck out of the car.
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ya know... its sad to say, but its true. Even the african-american girls at my work... they are all just SO rude. always running their mouths about some shit.
and the white girls doing the same job as them, are generally pretty quiet, keep to them selves, and just are "there".

Perhaps its culture, or the way in general that the races are brought up-- white folk tend to be more compliant, while minorites tend to be more defensive and put up a fight about stuff.

not a racial thing, just an observation...

92b16vx@Jun 3 2005, 05:17 AM
Since when do traffic violations constitue getting tasered? Oh my god, she was speeding, had a broken taillight, and wasn't engaging in personal safety? Well, fuck me running, lets draw and quarter her, fuck a taser.

The point is, she does nothing to deserve a physical attack. She didn't assault the officer, try to escape, or even verbally threaten him. Her "crime" was not measuring up to the officers expectation of speedy compliance to his demands. Just because you don't like her attitude, is not sufficent reason to assault her.
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a cop says freeze. if you don't stop, hes going to shoot you in the back as you run.
a cop says hang up the phone and get out the car or im going to taze you. you don't do as he says, hes going to tase you.

yes, its a "lesser" crime or whatever, but its still proportional.

she didn't respect his authority.

Put it in perspective, if my wife were the one getting pulled over in this instance, and she got taser because she didn't move fast enough for the cop, because maybe english is her second language, that guy would be out of a job.
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clearly, this woman new english.

if the cop noticed that your wife wasn't comprehending what he was saying, i'm sure the entire situation would have been different.

Simply being a cop does NOT give you the right to use force like that because someone isn't moving fast enough for you, or complying to the letter of your demands, and the fact that he tasered her on the ground, after she was already incapacited is even more ridiculous, and exactly stresses my point of completely unnescessary use of force. Grab her arms and put them behind her back, don't fucking taser her again.
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the 2nd taze i don't agree with either. she was already on the ground crying.
 
Haha :p

I get what you're saying, I was trying to "humanize" it more, I guess it didn't work. If a cop tells you freeze, and shoots you in the back because you didn't, than he is going to jail (unless of course he can some how prove that you pointed a weapon at him while running the other way, which, seems to happen). Cops CAN NOT just attack people for not obeying their instructions There is NO magical line where causing a person bodily harm that is posing NO threat to you or others is ok. Just telling someone, you're going to shoot them does NOT make it ok. Even their training manual says that only a reasonable amount of force can be used to facilitate arrest of someone resisting, of course it's all interpetation nowadays I guess.
 
if he was just going to write her a ticket there wouldnt have been any issue at all, a taser never would have been pulled.
but she had a suspended license and he was arresting her. by being defiant and rude (or as some would say a strong black woman) she was resisting arrest thats the only reason there was a taser involved. it was purely her fault.
you think the cops give a fuck if your talking on your cellphone? she was breaking the law and she was being placed under arrest. since when do you get to tell the cops to hold on so you can finish your conversation?
 
I don't think this shit is funny at all. I mean, sure she was insolent - but dangerous ? This is OK to do this to a non-violent woman ? In a traffic stop ? I mean come on.

What did cops ever do BEFORE tasers ? Would they pull out their pistol and shoot her ?

Dude, I'm level headed and responsible. But that's some scary shit right there. Lets say I were a witness to this, and it was my gf or daughter... I would go to jail - 40 years at least ( I think that is what a cop killer gets )

Pepper spray, ok. But a handled, pistol looking weapon fired at point blank range? For being insolent ? Too much.

-> Steve
 
For once, I agree with Wil, I don't know what videos you were watching, but I watched all four. As stated before, we couldnt see inside the vehicle, the lady obviously wasn't listening to the cops and was carrying on with her normal routine. The cop told her SEVERAL times to get off the phone, and warned of the upcoming tazer.

BTW she needed to get tazered a 3rd time for even saying the word "racist." Unless I'm blind, all of the people in that video were black.
 
Holy shit, Steve and I on the same side of an issue?

the end is near.

The point here is that a police officer committing violence against a person is not justified simply for a lack of compliance. Violence on the part of the police officer should only be warrented when it is used to prevent violence against themselves or others. The commentary does a poor job of trying to paint some sort of false dichotomy with regards to the choices they had in that situation. Beyond that, are any of you really willing to live in a community where an officer of the law can attack you with a weapon simply for not meeting their demands? I mean if they just started tazing people who have illegal motor swaps (I'm pretty sure all of us who are in states where swaps are illegal are aware of it, constituting a warning) your opinions may be a bit different.

And im pretty sure that the guy that actually tazes the woman is white.
 
Originally posted by Celerity@Jun 3 2005, 08:53 PM
I don't think this shit is funny at all. I mean, sure she was insolent - but dangerous ? This is OK to do this to a non-violent woman ? In a traffic stop ? I mean come on.

What did cops ever do BEFORE tasers ? Would they pull out their pistol and shoot her ?

Dude, I'm level headed and responsible. But that's some scary shit right there. Lets say I were a witness to this, and it was my gf or daughter... I would go to jail - 40 years at least ( I think that is what a cop killer gets )

Pepper spray, ok. But a handled, pistol looking weapon fired at point blank range? For being insolent ? Too much.

-> Steve
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so exactly how long do you propose the cops should have let her sit in the car and talk on her phone before they arrested her?

5 mins?
long enough to finish that phone call?
long enough to call everyone she knows and tell them how racist cops are arresting her?
maybe they should have escorted her to a sallon so she could get her hair done then arrest her.

fact is she was being arrested, she was refusing to exit the vehicle, she was refusing to get off the phone.
as being a former bouncer at a night club i can tell you (its the same for cops) if someone raises there hand to yank away from you or to hit you it doesnt matter, fact is they are being defiant and not following orders.
if she would have done that in the club i worked in she would have been tackled to the floor and if anyone would have got involved they would have had 10 bouncers beating the hell out of them.

she was in the right, they chose the safest and most logical option to subdue her and get her to comply.

i hate cops as much as the next guy, but i also hate assholes that think the world revolves around them.
 
Originally posted by Guy@Jun 3 2005, 10:03 PM
Holy shit, Steve and I on the same side of an issue?

the end is near.

The point here is that a police officer committing violence against a person is not justified simply for a lack of compliance. Violence on the part of the police officer should only be warrented when it is used to prevent violence against themselves or others. The commentary does a poor job of trying to paint some sort of false dichotomy with regards to the choices they had in that situation. Beyond that, are any of you really willing to live in a community where an officer of the law can attack you with a weapon simply for not meeting their demands? I mean if they just started tazing people who have illegal motor swaps (I'm pretty sure all of us who are in states where swaps are illegal are aware of it, constituting a warning) your opinions may be a bit different.

And im pretty sure that the guy that actually tazes the woman is white.
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read my above post.

excactly how long should she be able to do whatever the fuck she wants before she is arrested?
 
The penalty for expediency is a loss of humanity. How long to wait? I dont know, but the officer apperantly did not feel that it was very important to spend much time on the issue. What is there, thirty, fourty five seconds between when he told her to get out before he tazed her not once but twice? Pull the lady out of the car, I imagine that is the standard procedure.

And come on, how can you even begin to justify the second taze?
 
if you listen to the commentary he explains why he didnt try to pull her out of the car.

the car was still running, how many times on tv do you see officers getting dragged behind vehicles?

he gave her PLENTY of warning, she didnt comply. there job is to arrest her. they did there job.

i bet you next time the bitch will get off the phone :p

and i wont even try to justify the second taze, but i also wont say that i wouldnt have done it lol
 
Originally posted by 92civicb18b1@Jun 2 2005, 08:55 PM
I've been tased before and it really isn't that bad.

That isn't 'proper procedure' in my book. She did nothing to deserve it. Pulling away from an officer is not means for being tazed. Restrained, possibly but it could have been habdled much better.
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Depends on volts.

50k isn't bad. I tazed myself with 50k to see what it was like, I swear I felt my heart skip a beat. It scared the shit out of me more than anything else, it really didn't bother my friends.

Now when my other friend's little brother snuck up and hit my friend with a 500k baton and tazed his leg, that made him jump and like cry. Left a big ass black and blue for a couple of weeks on his leg.
 
Originally posted by 92b16vx@Jun 3 2005, 12:27 AM
Eric, that was the funniest shit I have read in a long time :lol:

That cop should not have reached in the car and tried to subdue her, period. If she was trying to drive off, or brandished a weapon, that would be another story all together, but her attitude is NOT sufficient cause to use force like that. Use of force, especially by cops in a civilian setting should be equal to the threat, her being a bitch is not a threat. Granted, for us a warning shot is two in the chest, so our level of tolarance is higher, since we don't use non lethal force, but in situations like that, and we have been in them doing checkpoints, we just let them vent, say whatever they want, doesn't hurt our feelings, and in the end all is well, they're in the back of the HUMVEE going to detention. And usually they would have AK47's or a pistol, or at the very least a suspisious box or two in the car whatever.

Brian, what I was saying is, he issued one verbal warning before threatening her with a taser. A civiclian shouldn't be threatened with that kind of force unless equally provoked. Imagine if that was your wife/girlfriend/mom/sister, would that be a justifiable tase in your eyes then? Not arguing just discussing :)
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Listen to the video, he said that she swung at his parent. You swing at a representative of government and you're done. If you don't agree with what a governmental official says that okay, but you comply, its your obligation as a citizen to comply within the laws set by society. On the streets, the police officers determine these laws, if you feel as if they are wrong in their decision then you take it a step further to a judicial level. Its as simple as that.
 
Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Jun 3 2005, 08:50 AM

ya know...  its sad to say, but its true.  Even the african-american girls at my work...  they are all just SO rude.  always running their mouths about some shit.
and the white girls doing the same job as them, are generally pretty quiet, keep to them selves, and just are "there". 

Perhaps its culture, or the way in general that the races are brought up--  white folk tend to be more compliant, while minorites tend to be more defensive and put up a fight about stuff.

not a racial thing, just an observation...
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From a psychological point of view there's a difference in the way caucasians and african americans view themselves.

Caucasians tend to view themselves independently from others. Someone says to a caucasian, "Your people did XXX this to me," and 9 out of 10 times the caucasian is going to say in more or less terms, "that wasn't me."

African Americans tend to view themselves as a collective entity; they're a part of a larger group and as thus they must act a certain way and defend certain aspects. Many psychologists believe this is why there will always be a gap between the two cultures in terms of the issue of slavery; caucasians think independently in terms of the present and future, african americans think past, present, and future.

With all that in mind, in African American culture its not seen as rude to be loud or boistorous. To caucasians they see this as utterly rude and don't understand why a group acts this way, except african americans tend to act this way both while in a group and while they're by themselves because they still identify with the group as a whole even if they are by their lonesome.

Cross cultural psychology. :ph34r:
 
Originally posted by micah@Jun 3 2005, 10:05 PM
excactly how long should she be able to do whatever the fuck she wants before she is arrested?
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Listen, I'm not saying that she's a beautiful flower here - Nor am I saying that the taser is like bludgeoning her with a tire iron -



But I seriously think that those cops needs to lay the fuck off the red meat and coffees.

Down south or in a friendly state (Fox News calls them "Blue states") The cop would have just laughed and poked fun of her with his partner... But shit

These guys need to smoke a fucking bowl. Attacking a woman for talking on the phone at a time that inconviences them only proves to us that they are no where NEAR qualified or right-minded to carry a weapon or be a police officer in the first place. Lighten the fuck up, Piggys - The only life that was in peril was the battery life on her Nokia - Put your swords away !


Guys this tense shouldn't be allowed out of the mental ward, much less on the streets with lethal force, no authority and uniforms.

-> Steve
 
we can agree to disagree
:)

i dont think rude, obnoxiuos, cock holsters that feel they can do what they want, when they want should be allowed on the streets :)
 
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