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Poorman's Type-R

Discussion in 'HYBRID -> EG-EK / DC' started by Mr2d2, Sep 8, 2008.

  1. Mr2d2

    Mr2d2 New Member

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    Hey guys, after running an embarrassing 15.4 at the track last night (street tires, no lsd) I figured its time to put a little money in my car. I'm currently driving a 92' Eg hatch with a b16a2. Have skunk 2 cams, rich tune, 5zigen exhaust, CAI. I've been reading into the Poorman's type-r swap and it sounds like something I'd be in to. My question is, after throwing in the ITR pistons does anyone know what the compression ratio jumps to, and how it would handle boost in the future if I wasn't happy with the power?

    Since I already have the b16 head, cams, and tranny, I figure I'd build a gsr block, with ITR pistons, then use the b16 head, skunk 2 cams, add LSD to my b16 tranny for the gearing, and get hondata for a more efficient tune. Then boost if needed later. Sound reasonable?
     
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    Sounds like a good setup, dont know if theres enough clearance, i havnt messed witht he poormans type r yet, but try gettin some ctr pistons in there, if they clear youll have even more compr. but all i know is that it would absolutly hate boost, i mean itll hold for a couple passes or so, but youll be around 12.3:1 and that dont like boost. Itll love some spray tho.
     
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    ilubmyEG New Member

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    When going boost your wanting to run a low compression piston, running all motor such as type r your going to be running a high compression piston, See the dilema? build for boost you will always get more power in the end with less troubles. Good luck tho!
     
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    red91efhatch New Member

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    Just boost the b16 and get LSD, a friend of mine is running in the 12s on that setup on stock internals at 5200ft. and if you decide to go PT-R you can boost it but not for long.... tick, tick, tick, rattle, rattle BOOM!
     
  5. LightWeightChamp

    LightWeightChamp Honda FTW!

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    honestly id say tune on crome, thats a personal opinon after running both hondata and crome

    also, high compression an boost are great together.... if you have a top notch tune.

    all the gm race cars are about 13:1 compression and 40psi on a big turbo...
     
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  6. B16RacerN2NR

    B16RacerN2NR Working Hard VIP

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    LSD doesn't help with gearing... and go with Crome or something cheaper. It'll do same things Hondata can do for a much lower cost.

    And aside from boost hating high compression, boost is also going to hate those skunk2 cams. Overlap FTL...

    How would boosting a poor man's type r be any different than boosting any other motor? It's all in the tune...

    And for the record, a poor man's type r is a GSR block with a B16 head. When you go adding pistons and what not, you're basically building yourself an ITR motor so the 'poor man' in the title becomes obsolete...

    yes but they are also running race fuel, have top of the line builders/tuners, and they rip apart the motors after every pass and replace anything that has a the slightest little wrinkle on it...
     
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    I thought the ptr was with the pistons... Without the pistons all you have is a gsr with lower compression. I need the lsd for traction, b16 just happens to have good gearing for a car without boost... If I boosted I'd look into a gsr tranny. Maybe I should consider just boosting the b16, I like the idea of more displacement to help get an early spool though. I never thought about overlap on the cams either... no good... Damn seriously too many choices.

    I think I'd be happy going all NA but if not I'd hate to have to tear everything apart again just to lower compression and turbo... Are low 13's achievable with an all motor pt-r set up and good traction?
     
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    B16RacerN2NR Working Hard VIP

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    Just the way you worded it made it seem like you thought adding LSD would change the gearing lol

    And the B16 tranny is great for boost. Don't believe that internet bullshit about longer gears are better for boost. A faster accelerating tranny is always gonna be faster whether it's n/a or f/i.
     
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    Ya your right in needing to upgrade to itr or ctr pistons, putting the b16 head on lowers compression, gives you a better breething head, but also lose comp., high 13's are def. achievable with a properly built pt-r, low 13s is going to be pushing it. You can always spray to make up for the time you wanted.
     
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    Your half right. Both heads flow nearly identical. The GSR is said to do better with boost because of its chamber shape tho. As far as what to build, if your gunna boost why dont you just build an LS/V? your already half way there, and it would cheaper than a GSR bottom end. If you just wanna work with what you have, then put some more money into you B16, it has potential.

    Either way, like everyone else has said, no matter what you build its nothin without a tune to match.
     
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    I agree. Pair your B16's head with an LS block for the extra displacement you want, add ARP hardware, and then boost...
     
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    yea that compression it way to high for a turbo... if want a nice turboe engine go with a low compression honda motor that make a good amount of tork. ur best canadate would be the b18a1 it has 140 hp 121 tork it has 9:2:1 cr its nasty with a 92-93 gsr tranny but it has short gears i would to ls tranney for highway use
     
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    ls vtec are over rated yes they have alot of power but there... unreliable u never no wtf with go rong with it...lol but im not going to lye they make excellent power!!!
     
  14. boostin4fun

    boostin4fun Boosted ls/vtec ohh yeah!

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    I think the most important thing you need to do is decide how much power you want before you buy anything. If you are wanting to go all motor the ls/vtec is the best way to go. If you are wanting big power why not just rebuild the b16 with some good forged rods and pistons. You can make really good numbers on a built boosted b16 and it should last you quite a while with a good tune. If you decide to go with boost sell the skunk cams and get some gsr cams they work very well with boost. You need to decide what you want to do because like everyone else said compression choice is critical. Whether you decide to go with boost or a high compression all motor setup get some good tuning. I recommend crome because it is affordable and works very well. Tuning is critical factor detirmining how long your motor will last and how much power it will make.
     
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    boostin4fun Boosted ls/vtec ohh yeah!

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    Ls/vtecs are very reliable when built well. It all comes down to how well the motor was built, what parts were used, and how well it was tuned.
     
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    Justin66 The Hondaswap Canadian

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    Save yourself some money and just build up or turbo your b16, its not a whole lot different than the GSR. The extra 20 foot pounds isnt worth getting another block.
     
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    If you have enough money for a legit turbo kit, why dont you just buy an eagle stroker kit for either a gsr or a b16, a stroked b16 or gsr will have plenty of the power you want, and it'll be reliable like no other, if it still aint enough, spray, everyone loves spray.
     
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