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Potential Power: 3 Setups

Discussion in 'Engine Building' started by ExplicitSnow, Jan 23, 2007.

  1. ExplicitSnow

    ExplicitSnow Senior Member

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    Setup 1:
    JDM B16 SiR2 P30 bottom end
    USDM 98 GSR P72 head
    DC 4-1 header
    Tsudo catback
    AEM Fuel Rail
    AEM Fuel Pressure Regulator
    255lph fuel pump
    450cc bluetop DSM injectors
    8lb Flywheel
    6 puck clutch
    Y1 LSD B16 cable tranny
    obd0-obd1 conversion with P28 OBD1 ECU w/ Hondata S100
    AEM UEGO Wideband air/fuel controller

    Setup 2:
    USDM 98 GSR P72 bottom with Eagle H-Beam rods and SRP High Compression Pistons
    USDM 98 GSR P72 head
    DC 4-1 header
    Tsudo catback
    AEM Fuel Rail
    AEM Fuel Pressure Regulator
    255lph fuel pump
    450cc bluetop DSM injectors
    8lb Flywheel
    6 puck clutch
    Y1 LSD B16 cable tranny
    obd0-obd1 conversion with P28 OBD1 ECU w/ Hondata S100
    AEM UEGO Wideband air/fuel controller

    Setup 3:
    B20Z bottom end
    USDM 98 GSR P72 head
    DC 4-1 header
    Tsudo catback
    AEM Fuel Rail
    AEM Fuel Pressure Regulator
    255lph fuel pump
    450cc bluetop DSM injectors
    8lb Flywheel
    6 puck clutch
    Y1 LSD B16 cable tranny
    obd0-obd1 conversion with P28 OBD1 ECU w/ Hondata S100
    AEM UEGO Wideband air/fuel controller

    curious to what kind of power numbers each of these setups are capable of with a nice tune by one of the houston tuners (st00pid most likely)
     
  2. tartymctang2357

    tartymctang2357 Grand High Wizard

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    well i can't really give exact numbers but i can tell you you'd be better off with the second build, the b20vtec would probably get you around the same as a stock gsr, the p30block with a gsr head wouldn't get you a whole lot of more power over stock, the thing that'd be the best is the upgraded pistons for the second build it'd be the most powerful of the ones there (i'm assuming when you say high compression pistons you mean to get you into the 12:1 compression range)

    by the way bigger fuel rails don't do much for you unless you're making something like 400-500 hp

    it'll be a bitch to drive with the clutch/flywheel combo
     
  3. ExplicitSnow

    ExplicitSnow Senior Member

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    i love the hard-to drive type clutches...really stiff...bairly let off like 1/4" and the car starts to pull...i just want to make some decent power and have good times on the street and a little better on the track...i dont really have time/nor a 2nd car to have the block redone in any way

    oh yeah, someone else told me not to worry about the fuel rail, just add an adjustable fpr and pump
     
  4. phunky.buddha

    phunky.buddha Admin with a big stick Admin VIP

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    Yup, setup #2 is what I would go with- unless you can put high compression pistons and some forged rods into setup #3, and then you'll walk all over setup #2.
     
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    #3
    just swap pistons and boom Serious torque & hp
    plus it cheaper to put together
    plus the b20 block is cheaper than the first two so why wouldn't you swap pistons and rods if your going to do it to #2?
     
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    801CRX Got Rice?

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    I would say #2 also, but just like Blanco said you wont break 180 in either with a stock head.
     
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    ExplicitSnow Senior Member

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    setup #2 with the h beam rods and high comp pistons is already put together...im buying it from a guy already done...thats why the pistons/rods are aftermarket in that setup
     
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    phunky.buddha Admin with a big stick Admin VIP

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    Sure you can, with higher compression pistons in #3.
     
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    igotnothin New Member

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    i say secret answer 4....TURBO>>>stock block......250hp..at the least.....: )
     
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    phunky.buddha Admin with a big stick Admin VIP

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    :shrug:

    I made 190whp under a stock head with high compression pistons, and 13:1 static was streetable before the cams.
     
  11. ExplicitSnow

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    im going with this setup:

    b16a block
    ctr pistons
    gsr head
    3 layer head gasket

    11:1 compression ratio
     
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    801CRX Got Rice?

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    Try it test it and then let us know how it worked out.
     
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    phunky.buddha Admin with a big stick Admin VIP

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    It ran awesome until Jeff tuned it... then it died a nasty death.

    Counterpoint- the B20/B16 setup I ran the first time got a good 45k miles until I overrevved it, and that was with 12.6:1 static compression.
     
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    phunky.buddha Admin with a big stick Admin VIP

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    I don't know how much timing was pulled- it was so long ago, and the first build was set up on a VAFC on top of a Mugen chip. This was before the Hondata days. The base timing was set at stock though.

    As far as no higher than 12:1 on 93 octane, that is a general safe region to stay in- but you can go higher on 93 and still make even better power without compromising your timing. You just have to know a few tricks. :D

    Yup, agreed on IB.
     
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