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repost? Elections RIGGED?

Discussion in 'Members' Lounge' started by K2e2vin, Sep 3, 2006.

  1. K2e2vin

    K2e2vin Senior Member

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    reikoshea HS Troll...And Mod Moderator VIP

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    havent seen it, but it makes sense. its probably more like 40-50 lines of code in addition to the original.
     
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    SSL0207 Mhmm....

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    eh... the part i don't understand is how did this guy get the code added to existing program... because if it was part of the original code going into the machines somebody should have noticed...
     
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    K2e2vin Senior Member

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    He didnt write the actual code, but he wrote the prototype.
     
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    SSL0207 Mhmm....

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    yea... still tho... seems to me that something as large scale as voting machine programming would be overseen by so many people that I don't understand how even 40-50 lines of code could be overlooked... especially by the gov, before it went into the machines...
     
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    i can....did you ever see anti-trust: "Their programmers are smarter than our programmers" Its not to hard to sneak a single function that calls 5 others to run and then only runs in one line of the main.

    Its actually very easy to sneak code in.
     
  7. SSL0207

    SSL0207 Mhmm....

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    the funniest part about the republican party (especially the far right and especially bush) is that thier own morality is biting them in the butt...
     
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    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Think Hot Coffee. That was way more than 50 lines of code that Rockstar didn't notice in their final release. Granted that it wasn't meant to be seen or used, but it's there and yes, it can be accessed easily if you have the knowledge to do so. Same with these voting machines.

    It's all too easy to sneak code past people when that code is kept under such a veil of secrecy.
     
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    Rockstar trusts it's programmers. They don't have to proof their work.

    The voting machines are bunk. Also, I want you all to find out who voted for video / computerized voting terminals in the first place.

    (Hint: They don't like Bush)
     
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    Vosty "REP 4 U" Whore Member!!!

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    Wow interesting that he chuckles about it... And WTF would he create this software in the first place This is a great "stunt" and personnaly I believe it is simply a drastic attempt to flip democratic party in the lime light of honesty and integrity. Cause we all know that Clinton was full of honesty/integrity. "I didnt have a sexual affair with Lewinksy ring a bell" This is the guy who supposidly created this software and is proud to exploit it? im calling it crooked and an extreme attempt to bash on the republican party...

    And i dont remember the last time after someone gave testimony that people clapped and applaused it? weird... And the comment to hide the fraud not reveal the fraud, we werent there how do we know that this person asked him to hide the fraud... Although this could have happend, its one word againts another...

    Interesting what tactics the Democratic party will use to win an election... I believe that the republican party is the lesser of two evils.... We live in a wicked world!
     
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    He wrote a prototype, and someone else worked off of it. His work was, atleast what he thought it was suppose to be, is how to find such codes. The outcome of the votes would depend on who's controlling the machines, which is not him.

    I agree that whether to hide the codes is a he say/she say thing, but it shows that the machines are controlled by parties to begin with and arent really regulated that well.
     
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    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Now, who made the voting machines?

    (Hint: They love Bush)
     
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    Then where am teh argument ?
     
  14. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    The argument is that rigging an election via systems that are both shrouded in an unbelievable level of secrecy AND able to be hacked by a person with the lowest level of skill (WHO THE FUCK BACKENDS A SYSTEM LIKE THAT IN MICROSOFT ACCESS?!?!?!?!) is not only possible, but easy on a level that is simply mind croggling.

    It's no secret that Diebold and the Right are jerking each other off at every possible chance and it's definitely not a secret that their machines (both voting and ATM, do not ask how I know this, I will not reply) are easily compromised without so much as a trace of evidence.

    With no paper trail, it's plausible that this could have happened. The fact that someone came forth about this makes it even more so.

    You can go ahead and file this under Conspiracy Theories (as you do with anything anti-Bush) but you also have to put it under another category: Easy to do.
     
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    SSL0207 Mhmm....

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    w/e... i think the wierdest part of the whole deal is that he says he was approached by feeney and the repbulican party.... nomatter how stupid you think the republican party may be... i think it is unlikely that they would come out themselves and ask for a prototype for a program to mess with machine that they weren't even supposed to be rigging...

    it would have made more sense if they had some less obviously connected person do it on thier behalf...

    i too sense faked... from the silly courtroom procedure to the fact that nearly identicle stories appear in tabloid-style web forums and sites.. and never once through any of the mainstream media outlets that would love a story such as this if it were true...

    ps... a link to another similiar story
    Scoop: Sludge Report #154 – Bigger Than Watergate!

    ps2... interesting that some of the names/companies in both stories do check out to be more or less what they were represented to be...
     
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    Vosty "REP 4 U" Whore Member!!!

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    And they are obviously in favor of the democratic party, how ideal for them at this time...
     
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    Once more it all comes down to Republicans vs Democrats. A perfect opportunity to voice my hatred of the party system.. George Washington warned the nation about this very thing in his farewell speech... The 'parties' were just forming and he saw them for what they are... A means to help a select group of people over that of another. He said that they could tear the nation in two, that they were a threat to the very existance of the country.

    I want to abolish every political party. Make every elected official just that, an elected official. No party, no 'sides', no bias, just people working for what's best for the people they represent, and for their nation.

    Just the way it was meant to be.
     
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    Vosty "REP 4 U" Whore Member!!!

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    Very well spoken, I also wish for this... but realize it will never happen. George Washington truly forsaw what is happening today, crazy...
     
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    Soooo true. Republican loving company + easy, untracable updating via removable media + closed source = Byebye Representative Repbulic. And people thought that their vote didn't matter when using paper...

    The worst part about this software being completely closed is that it is so easy for one person to slip malicious code into a large project like this. At most anyone persons portion is reviewed by 3-4 managers that have to read code from many other low level engineers like him. After sitting through several, I will tell you that code reviews for closed projects are unlikely to discover anything. They certainly don't put the software through the level of scrutiny that an Open Source project goes through.
     
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    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    YES. YES. YES. This is one place where open source software outshines any corporate offering. When it comes to something as important as voting, the general public needs to be able to see the code. Any exploits, holes or malicious code is found immediately and brought to light just as fast. This ensures that the systems work properly and the possibility of tampering is minimized as much as possible.

    I remember when our city sent out letters about the new electronic voting machines. It was basically a list of questions and answers designed to make the public relax about using those new fangled computerized things.

    They use WiFi to communicate, and in the letter it states, and I quote: "Our electronic voting machines are kept secure using 128bit WEP encryption keys."

    No. I am not making this up.

    Yes, the general public will see this and say "Gosh, 128 bits sounds like a whole lot, no nasty hackers will get into those!" when the harsh reality is that it takes less than five minutes to crack.

    Janus Project PC can scan 300 WiFi networks at once - Engadget

    At that speed, one could swing the votes for half a state on a leisurely drive...
     
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