I would like to thank everyone for their opinions lol. Thanks for the feedback im not from the U.S. like most people here so I don't think you saw my side. Where I come from you never see mustangs or TA's or camaros. Here you see a civic, rsx (lovely car by the way) and a whole lot of integras that arent worth their money. To buy an Integra in saskactewan its going to cost you 5-10 grand to get a decent teg (1990-1997) without a lot of rust. Where I live the only racing scene here is imports. You should see the ricers! The best honda Ive seen here was a civic running a H22 and it wasnt even that fast. Its really hard to beat a fast v8 and sure theres the power to weight ratio thing but it only helps so much. But thats my opinion and I would rather have a skyline or an awseome M3. you just cant beat european engineering. Im sorry but they would kill any honda on the track and yes I know some of them are supercars but when your turbocharged honda is making the same hp then I think you should be able to compare without complaining.