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Has anyone actually driven the new Civic SI Coupe yet? I'm going to this weekend but I don't know what to expect cuz I've heard mixed reviews about it. It looks super sportier than any Civic I've seen in a long time though. I saw some cool pics here http://sema.honda.com but is it fast?? :D
 
I'm under the impression that the car hasn't been released for sale yet, will it be out by this weekend?
 
They just gave away 3 on Rock Star INXS.

Yeah, I watch Rock Star INXS so what big deal you wanna make somethin' of it ?
 
lol...I just got done watching that with my gf.

Today I was going to the local honda dealership to pick up some parts for my new car and a new civic sedan pulled up behind me. I was quite surprised by it for sure. I like the way the front end looks...it looks pretty mean. the back isn't all that great though.
 
I drove an '05 civic coupe.. But I think you're talking about an '06...


The 05 felt fat. It felt like it had power, but too much weight to drag around with it... Of course, I'm usually in a crx...
 
VTec who you callin spam bro?! BTW I do work for Honda but was under the impression that it would be available to test drive this weekend cuz the new ones come out today but I guess the SI isn't commn out till November so I guess I will just have to wait! Did they give away a 06 SI on Rock Star? I missed it... :ph34r:
 
damn... vtec.net article for non users.

Author Shawn Church
Categories Dyno Testing, Civic
Create Date September 12, 2005 13:02
Last Update September 14, 2005 21:37

The 2006 Civic Si's K20Z3 engine is one more member of the highly exalted K-series lineup. Combining elements from a variety of other K-series engines (K20A2 style head, Euro-R RBC intake manifold, K20A3 style balance shaft, K20Z1 style camshafts, etc.), it exhibits a smooth, refined demeanor along with a typical Honda high rpm rush of power, and a typical Honda VTEC dip as well.

While nothing leads us to believe that the K20Z3 won't be just as capable in the aftermarket as other K-series engines, it does face the hurdle of a completely new ECU and drivebywire, so modifications may be a little more difficult (we'll be the first to tell you in our project car chronicles).

In the case of our particular example, the gains may be even tougher still. Take a look at the dyno results.

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The lowest curve, 197.9 hub hp, was recorded in completely stock trim after a few runs. We think this is more representative of what our car will do. The next run, 204 hub hp, was recorded with a little cool down. Note that the biggest difference occurs from 7500 rpm on up. The final run of 209 hp was recorded with the airbox cover off (note the bottom end losses). While the car gets much noisier and loses the refined growl of the stock intake system, the 5+ hp gain indicates that an intake system will probably be able to pick up some noticeable power (do not drive with the cover off, with the hood closed, you'll kill power by ingesting hot air from the engine bay).

Now take a look at the AF ratios. Note how smooth they are. Also note that they are relatively close to the optimal range of 12.5-13:1. Finally, note that on most runs, with the exception of our stock 204 hp run, that the AFR goes very rich after 7000-7500 rpm.
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We think there are a couple factors at play here. First of all, either Honda has underrated the new K20Z3, or our hand-built preproduction motor has benefitted from the exacting specifications used during the build process. On the same dyno, a stock 05 RSX (rated at 210 hp on the old system) will put down around 185 hub hp. The best one we ever did (another preproduction car) put down 190 hub hp. Given how strict the new ratings systems are, we suspect our Si is extra healthy, but we'll wait to see what other gains we get, and what production cars do. If you live in SoCal, we'll do free dynos for the first 3 production Si's that come in (310-518-4966).

The fact that the AF ratio goes rich at high rpm on virtually all runs tells us that the K20Z3 is either very temp sensitive, very knock sensitive, or both. The very flat AF curve is also unusual for a factory car (Honda or otherwise), which is one reason why we suspect a little tweaking.

Stay tuned as we begin pulling the car apart and looking for more power.

UPDATE (21:35, 14.Sept.05): I just got a call from Shawn and today another 2006 Civic Si (preproduction, of course) was tested on his dyno. This one had 3500 miles because it had been driven cross country from Michigan. Obviously, the break-in mileage paid off because this car put down 209hp, in a fully stock configuration. With the airbox cover removed, the number jumped to 218hp. Shawn is not near a computer at the moment, so we don't have the dyno plots, and the car isn't ours, so we may not even be able to post the plots, but it's clear that our car isn't a fluke, at least amongst pre-production Civic Si's. jp
 
Holy shit! Honda had better start playing catch-up with the RSX, or they've just killed a model line.

210whp completely stock... damn...
 
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