ok, below is a big ass dyno pic. this is motor matrix's car in case you are wondering. its a built ITR motor running a 62-1 turbo (which is slightly bigger than a t4/60-1) No what I want to point out is this. EVEN during lag which is very evident, he is still putting well over 100 hp to the wheels. Can you d-series do that? no. does a b16 do that before 4 grand? doubtful. I rest my case. Yeah, it "lags" but you still have more fucking power.