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Suspension Upgrades: What is worth the $ for

Discussion in 'Wheels / Suspension / Tires / Brakes' started by confusatron, Sep 8, 2005.

  1. confusatron

    confusatron Senior Member

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    I need some opinions from people who have done upgrades. I want to know if say like

    1. a Tein SS coilover type system is worth the money, and what exactly it will improve about my ride/handling.

    2. Tie bars/tower bars front and rear: do they really improve handling that much? If so, are they worth the investment?

    3. Front and Rear sway bars. Worth the money?

    By "worth it " I mean I am looking to make my EG hatch corner and handle better, but with a little less bumpy overall ride than a stock EG hatch, if that is at all possible.

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  2. phunky.buddha

    phunky.buddha Admin with a big stick Admin VIP

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    Yes, it's all worth it.... and they will all improve ride and handling in just about every aspect- but it all depends on what YOU call an "improvement". The better way to phrase a question would be to lay out what your goal/target for the car is in terms of handling, and what your budget is for suspension modification.
     
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    id like a smoother, less clunky ride, with firm handling and good cornering, especially in the rear
     
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    Ok- how much cash do you have to spend? I dropped probably around $5k on all my suspension goodies... and it feels really good to me.
     
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    Well, I'd like to do it in stages, no more than $500 to $1000 at a time, and the $1000 only for the coilover system (i.e. the Tein SS)

    Which would be the most bang for the buck, improvement wise? The car currently has no sway bars, and those are relatively cheap depending on which way you go. What about those?
     
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    Well, i know that putting sway bars on has made a difference, but i think that the suspension (KYB shocks w/ Eibach pros) made a bigger difference. It is nice not to feel the chasis roll anymore. The prelude didnt have a lot (like the hatches do) but itd be a tough call in your cars. With the coilovers, however, you would be able to fully adjust your suspension (if you go with the Tein COs), while you would *just* get a more rigid chasis with the other adjustments
     
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    start with, springs/coilovers and struts first, se where you are at and waht you are lacking after that. then work your way through the tie/strut bars as needed!
     
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    biggest difference i have felt with my hatch was the addition of the 23mm itr rear sway bar.
     
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    They really all improve the car in different ways, so I can't really tell you the best "bang for the buck" upgrade is. If your current shocks/springs are no good though, you should definitely get the coilovers first. Everything else you do later should be planned to work with your shock/spring setup, so choose wisely. Correct spring rates with coilovers are a good way to start.

    You should get all your braces as soon as you can too. Stiffer shocks/springs will just beat the hell out of your chassis if it's not stiff enough to handle the stiffer equipment. You don't have to buy anything super expensive, but make sure to get the best braces you can afford that constrain as many degrees of motion as possible- no joints or as few as possible is the best way to go. Neuspeed is a really good value for upper front strut braces, and you can go with Carbing if you want to shell out some serious cash. Run a front lower 4 point chassis brace if you can, then something in the trunk for the upper rear if you have space for it. I would hold off on the rear lower brace until you pick out your sway bar setup- most good aftermarket rear sways have a built-in brace option that prevents rear subframe tearout... Suspension Techniques and Comptech are the only ones that I would recommend here if you don't go with the ITR rear bar.

    Once you have the chassis as stiff as possible, look to the sway bars. Match your bar sizes to how you have your spring rates set up, then choose what you want and go for it.
     
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    Great info, thanks a lot man. :) Can you recommend a coilover system (I'm partial to Tein, but really have no idea who makes the best coilover system for the money), and sites to buy suspension parts from?
     
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    You're welcome. :)

    Omnipower is good for the money, and I honestly think that Tein is one of the better coilover values out there too. As for sites, I would just hunt around and check to see what sites have a good reputation, then buy from them. I get almost all my parts through hookups that are not online, but those hookups aren't available to other people.
     
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    I ordered a Neuspeed lower rear brace, 4 point front under brace, and generic but solid looking front strut tower brace tonite. Those 4 point braces are hard to find, but I got one off ebay for about $60.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Blue-JDM-H-...1QQcmdZViewItem

    Just ordered a set of Korbach Frame Locks.

    Hey did I read somewhere that it's best to use a 94-01 Integra Tein coilover system as opposed to a 92-95 civic one, due to the increased weight of the B16? Because I found a store with decent prices on a Tein system. I don't wanna do it if it makes my ride so stiff it gives me spinal deformation though :D
     
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    Done a lot of suspension work, and as Calesta said above, if I had to do it over, I would have dropped the $$ on coilovers from the start. I ended up buying AGX's (which I still dearly <3 ) and intially had them sprung with HP Racing Coilovers. They road like shit, and the rebound sucked. Dropped the $200 on Eibachs and I love them. However, now I am tempted to get solid upper mounts, and camber plates. Right now I'm holding off because I might make the jump to a set of coilovers.

    Good sway bars are another good investment. I'm running a GSR front bar on my EG, but currently no rear one. (don't ask, I'm waiting to see what type of LCA/brace setup I'm going to run). No rear bar means plently of rear roll, and less contact patch on the rear under load - hence my title on my name. My car will life it's rear inside wheel under heavy cornering without hessitation.

    I'm running cheapo Ractive strut braces F/R, and I like them. You need to adjust them to get the right kind of preload, but it's not hard. Loking back, I probably should have gotten a brace that connects to the firewall, but whatever.

    Lastly, I have the ES urethane bushing set installed on my car, with the exception of the front control arms and steering rack bushings. It makes a HUGE difference, but if you run stuff springs and dampening you WILL feel every bump in the road. Without P/S, I could actually feel the raised reflective lines on the highway. If you get the full-setup expect to either do it on peice at a time, or have you car off the road for at least one week.

    Here's my recommendation
    -Coilovers, get them corner-weighted if you can.
    -Good tower bars, preferably either Carbing, Neuspeed, or DC Sports.
    -A GOOD rear bar with urethane mounts. Either Suspension Tech., Whiteline, Hotchkiss, CTR/ITR, or Blox.
    -Get a good alignment.
    -Good rubber. Crappy rebound and nerdy suspension tweaking can sometimes by negated through ridiculously sticky tires. For street setups though, a good hi-perf tire will make a huge difference regardless. (BFG KDW, Kuhmo, Hankook, Advan, etc.)
     
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    I actually seriously considered the upper front bars by neuspeed and DC, but they both looked really wimpy, with only one bolt mounting point. The cheapo one that I got has a mounting point for all 4 strut mount bolts. Seems like it should be stronger than those other ones, I dunno.
     
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    Are any of these braces going to do anything without front and rear sway bars?
     
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    Yes, braces will do quite a bit with or without sway bars. They're totally independent of each other. You should ditch the generic eBay upper front brace and buy a Neuspeed, especially for your 93 hatch. The Neuspeed is one of the best bars you can buy for the money. It's solid, has no joints, and attaches on the 4 bolts that hold your upper control arms in place. When I replaced my cheapo eBay bar with a Neuspeed bar, I could instantly feel the difference in chassis rigidity. DC Sports strut braces are all jokes- don't even think about them.
     
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    I was looking at the wrong neuspeed bar. The one I saw was the lower one, it looked wimpy. I saw the other one last night, you're right. Too bad I already bought the cheapo one. :(
     
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    I bought some omni power coilovers...much cheaper then tein. if you're looking for a smoother ride though, I don't suggest omnipower. Even their street setup is pretty stiff.
     
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    Just sell your eBay one and go with the Neuspeed. Trust me- there's that much of a difference.
     
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    What would you recommend for a rear shock tower tie bar, or other upper rear bars of some kind?
     
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