Sabz5150
FALCON PUNCH!!!
http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2005/...uring_lesbians/
Ahhh religous extremism. Gotta love it!
Ahhh religous extremism. Gotta love it!
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Originally posted by ahedau@Feb 1 2005, 11:02 PM
since I doubt that you're a parent, I can't blame either of your attitudes. At your ages, I felt the same way.
As a parent of three boys I have learned that I cannot be with them 100% of the time nor should I HAVE TO be. We strongly monitor the shows our children watch. Most programming on PBS is kid oriented during the day. Normally it's "safe"
What liberals don't seem to understand is that we want our kids to be kids while they're, well, KIDS. I do NOT want to sit down with my 5 year old and try to attempt to explain homosexuality. When it is introduced innocuously as "background" in a show it still raises questions. I know. I have kids.
If we are in a public place and two queers are holding hands or being POLITELY affectionite, fine. But when they preach homosexualty or are grossly (pun intended) affectionate, then it crosses the line & I have to have conversations about subjects that kids do not need to be aware of.
It makes me cry to think of the conversations I have had with my children. What they have seen with their own eyes & heard with their own ears at such terribly young ages. I remember what I had to deal with at that age. It is heartbreaking that with the loss of something we should all hold dear, innocence, your defensive argument is that I am a bad parent or that I should just turn the other cheek.
that is truely tragic.
Like your virginity, once your youthful innocence is gone, there is nothing you can do to re-gain it.
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Originally posted by Sabz5150@Feb 1 2005, 11:19 PM
I am the parent of a 7 year old. You can kiss my ass.
I want my child to be *educated* about different lifestyles. Ignorance is what breeds this kind of crap. Fear and ignorance.
If I am in a public place and I see two gays holding hands and being affectionate, I don't even look twice. If they are preaching or making out like mad, then I just walk away. Hell, if ANYONE was preaching or making out I would walk away. If my daughter asks, I will tell her what it means to be gay.
I don't hear any hateful words from my child, nor do I fear anything she has seen. I am 100% aware of what she has seen, and anything she has questions about, I TELL HER THE TRUTH. Of course I do not allow her to say bad words, and she understands that those words are bad and they should not be used. What conservatives don't realize is that children undrestand these things, and when they are told the truth about it, they become accepting and tolerant.
Are your kids going to be calling gays "queers" like you do?
Hate breeds hate, my friend. Nothing else does.
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Originally posted by ahedau@Feb 2 2005, 12:12 AM
thanks for the offer but i decline.
You mean queers aren't gay? It was meant to push your button. Glad to see it did.
I've never lied to my children. I have deferred talking about a subject that I felt they were too young to discuss. Like the fact I've been arrested or that my wife was pregnant before we were married. Some things you just wait until kids are older to discuss. SEX IS ONE OF THEM.
She's 7 and you have never heard her say anything hateful?! You expect me to believe that?!! Feeding me that BS I might not believe you have kids at all. Kids are cruel, selfish little imps. All of them. As parents we try to mold them into polite young men and women but come on!! NEVER?
I'm sorry that your little girl, your baby girl, isn't going to get the have the innocence that I hope you enjoyed as a child.
Again, I find that tragic.
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Originally posted by Blanco@Feb 2 2005, 12:21 AM
I'll be 28 on Sunday, I'm not a child. And I also posses more knowledge about early childhood education than most people with two or three kids. Just one of the benifits of my girlfriend's mother teaching E.C.E. for college credits. <--- you will soon learn that nothing in a book prepares you for parenthood.
I never said that you were a bad parent, what I said was that some people have progressed past 500's ????????????and are actually open-minded. Like Sabz said, ignorance breeds fear and fear breeds hate. You're teaching intolerance and hatred. can you read?! I'm not discussing subjects with my children until I feel they are mature enough to deal with it. how is that intolerance or hatred? As bad as my area sucks, I am so grateful that I had the opportunity to grow up in one of the most culturally diverse areas of America. You should be teaching your children about tolerance and respect for others, something you seem to lack greatly. Do you have any proof to support your accusation that I do not respect you? I most certainly will not teach my children to tolerate others behavior because others feel what they are doing is right. I am teaching my children that right and wrong is black and white And to echo Sabz again, I don't care who's shoving their tounge down who's thoat, it's still not something that a child needs to see. I agree 100% and should have been more specific
And I don't need any lecture about innocence lost, I was molested at eight and I started getting shot at when I was 12. I reiterate my phrase on lost innocence, "how tragic". Certainly you want better for your kids?
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Originally posted by ahedau@Feb 2 2005, 12:55 AM
<--- you will soon learn that nothing in a book prepares you for parenthood.
Originally posted by Sabz5150@Feb 2 2005, 12:40 AM
Me? Innocence? Barely. sorry about that
Agreed, sex should be saved until an older age. No doubt. However I am not going to tell her "NO YOU ARE NOT GONNA HAVE SEX." I will talk to her about contraceptives, etc and how guys think. Momma will take care of teaching her how to avoid assholes and people who just wanna use her. I'll bet you a hundred dollars right now that when her body goes through "the change" and boys start looking at her they way you looked at girls all you will be able to see is Daddy's little girl and will have a different attitude. Not one of "You're NOT going to have sex!" but one of "I hope that you are not going to have sex and here's why" If that is not the case, my heart aches for her.
As for being hateful, nope. I didn't say she was hateful as in "full of hate" but that she's uttered hateful things. She is a good child. Her school constantly tells us how wonderful she is and that she always gets along with others. She shares with other children and has many friends. I talk to her all the time about school. My 5 year old is the same way.....until he gets mad. then he says some horrible things. We're working on it
My child listens to her parents and understands what is right and what is wrong. based on what, exactly? I don't force her to do anything (well maybe her homework), I simply tell her what happens when you do things. She chooses what to do herself.
EDIT: I will throw this in just for reference. My daughter is half black, half white. Mixed, if you will. I believe (and hope) that's one thing that helps her be tolerant towards others and be culturally diverse. that will certainly help.
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Originally posted by Blanco@Feb 2 2005, 01:28 AM
Actually, I have several years of practical experience. My girlfriend and I pretty much raised two of her young cousins for about three years. One was 12 and the other was 6mo. This included "the talk", doctor visits, school visits for their tweeker mother, staying the night (for several nights in a row), et cetera. We were the only positive influence either of those little girls had and they both thank us every time they see us for that.
"The 500's" would be 500a.d.. I can read just fine, actually. Your attitude is what teaches intolerance. You do realize that your children are learning from you just by watching you, don't you? Lead by example.
I said nothing about your respect towards me, because I honestly couldn't care less. I'm referring to the intolerant attitude that you so readily display. At 35, I'd expect you to know that there is nothing black and white in this world, it's all shades of grey.
Yes I would like better for my child(ren). So I'm going to actually raise them instead of letting them raise themselves. Hate is a learned response.
Yes, I believe that children only know what they're taught. Until you can show me a baby that learns to say "nigger" to a black man with no outside influence, I'll believe otherwise. But I tend to side with people who actually work in the field every day.
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Originally posted by dveit@Feb 2 2005, 01:28 PM
All this red, I feel like im in english class again.
With another shitty ass paper being corrected to hell.
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Originally posted by StarBellieAngel@Feb 2 2005, 07:08 PM
my parents taught me about sex when i asked. my mom felt if i was old enough to ask, i was old enough to know. and, i thank her for that.
though, i did have children young, i KNEW what i was doing, and what could happen. and NO book, EVER will prepare you for life as a father or mother. it's one of the hardest, most rewarding jobs to ever have.
your ideas are your own, but if my kid asks me 'why does (so and so) have two mommies?' i can tell him. it's not that hard. kids just want to know. and he doesn't have to know about sex, but he can learn about same sex parenting.
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Originally posted by StarBellieAngel@Feb 3 2005, 12:04 AM
getting to your 'right' and 'wrong' argument, my take on it, is that, some people view same sex couples as 'wrong'. this is not true to them, they obviously don't see it that way.
if you perceive it to be 'wrong' that doesn't make THEM wrong, or YOU wrong, it's just a matter of opinion.
of course when it comes to crime and the seven sins... that's quite common sense that it's wrong.
EDIT: case in point: bombing on US. Osama believes he is in the right, and he's doing something for a purpose... but of course, since it is an attack upon us, and we have different beliefs, we think he is wrong...
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Originally posted by ahedau@Feb 2 2005, 01:57 AM
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There are NO shades of grey when it comes to right & wrong. The fact that you believe so is as appalling to me as the article posted about HS kid's attitude toward the 1st admendment.
Right is ALWAYS right and wrong is ALWAYS wrong. Please cite some instances when there is a grey area. Theft? Murder? Lying? Cheating? Adultry? Rape? How about we just look at the "7 deadly sins"? Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger, Greed, & Sloth When are these okay? Under what set of circumstances exactly?
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