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Discussion in 'General Tech and Maintenance' started by SlushboxTeggy, May 30, 2005.

  1. SlushboxTeggy

    SlushboxTeggy It's only stupid if it doesn't work VIP

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    decided to have the timing belt changed on my integra by the shop that services all my family's cars. so i asked for a price quote and he said 300. that seemed high for such a cheap part and thats without a new water pump.

    how hard is it to change it anyway? ill do it myself if someone could so me how or give me a link to a tech article. and if i do it myself id like to upgrade to a gsr water pump, but then which belt do i use?

    what do you guys think?
     
  2. formby

    formby learning in progress

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    you can do it yourself...just search around for a write up...dont get me wrong i would tell you were the write up is at but i did not book mark it....sorry.....its not that hard to do though...good luck
     
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    What kind of car/motor is it? I have the service manual for a b18b, I can email you the pages you need if thats the one.
     
  4. SlushboxTeggy

    SlushboxTeggy It's only stupid if it doesn't work VIP

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    1997 integra rs/b18. i just realize i have a service manual. im an idiot. but i still need to know what belt to use with the gsr water pump.
     
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    not that hard to do huh?

    drivers side mount comes off then valvecover and all plastic covers on the drivers side of the motor, motor needs to be supported while the mount is off. not a lot of space to work with once you get to the belt. 300 isnt bad but im sure you could find it cheaper.

    why change to the gsr water pump? you dont have a vtec head.
     
  6. MikeBergy

    MikeBergy Blah blah blah....

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    300 is a bit a high, but too far off the mark. And it isn't hard, but it can be a PITA, since there is not much room between the engine and the frame, and you have to pull an engine mount. I'd do it myself if I were you. I think you are supposed to use the belt that matches the water pump, so in your case, use the gsr. Someone back me up on this statement.
     
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    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    300 for a timing belt change?

    What do they charge 250 an hour? I had the timing belt and water pump replaced on my Escort for 80 bucks.
     
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    vtecsir1 Senior Member

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    ok guys i guess you need this broken down.

    75 an hr is standard labor for auto mechanics.

    your looking at a 3 hr job we will say, well 3 hrs x 75/hr = 225

    tbelt 40 or so = 265

    tax say 7% = 18.55

    total = 283.55


    timing belt may cost more depending on if its after market or oem.

    changing the timing belt is not a simple job for your average diy'er while the motor is in the car. i wish some of you wouldnt tell people to do things they may have no clue about, a helms manual isnt going to help this guy when the car isnt able to run because he took advice that its easy. every single time i work on my car or others something always goes wrong whether its a seized bolt or what not.
     
  9. GSRCRXsi

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    1. jack front of car up
    2. set engine to TDC on cylinder #1
    3. remove crank pulley bolt and crank pulley
    4. remove drivers side engine mount
    5. remove valve cover, and both plastic timing belt covers
    6. loosen timing belt tensioner bolt to releive tension on timing belt
    7. remove timing belt
    8. check to make sure everything is still at TDC before installing new belt
    9. install new belt and tension it in the proper order so everything stays at TDC
    10. reassemble everything in reverse order of disassembly and double check everything is still at TDC
    11. manually rotate the engine about 5-6 times and AGAIN check that everything is at TDC
    12. start the car up to make sure everything went ok, take it for a spin around the block, then triple check that everything stayed at TDC

    youre done
     
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  11. SlushboxTeggy

    SlushboxTeggy It's only stupid if it doesn't work VIP

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    nice.

    i think im going to do it myself. even if its harder than i expected its not like im going to quit, this is my daily. plus im also going to install some str cam gears that have been sitting in my garage because ive been to lazy to do it.

    i was thinking to upgrade to the gsr because i found timing belt kits for both the ls gsr. the price difference is so little that i just figure why not. im eventually going to boost it too so i figure it will help in that aspect. but to be perfectly honest, my goals for this car have changed at least 4 times and even though at the moment im not swapping the head, if i change my mind again i dont want to have wasted the money on a water pump that i would replace anyway.
     
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    xj0hnx I wanna be sedated VIP

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    Shouldn't 6 be before 3?
     
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    :werd: Im not saying you cant do it yourself but I also know that it is not as easy as some people are making it out to be. The price sounds about right especially if they do a good job. The honda dealerships in my area charge $300 and thats without a water pump.
     
  14. SlushboxTeggy

    SlushboxTeggy It's only stupid if it doesn't work VIP

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    fuck them, me and my friends are doing it. i dont know if i would have been able to do it alone but the guys im doing it with swap motors, build motors, tune their own cars, etc. it should be fine.
     
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    well it's a no brainer then. Do it yourself and save 200 bucks.
     
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    You are going to say fuck us when you cant even do the belt change yourself. Um ok, all I said is that it is not as easy as people are making it out to be. Sure if you have people that are knowledgeable working with you then I say go for it, but if you dont just be aware that you may need a lot of extra time for the enexpected.
     
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    all the shops I have worked at also made you buy the valve cover gasket and some would require that you buy the front cover gasket depending on the condition yours was in.

    ALLData calls for 3.5 hours and at the shop I am at right now charges $78 an hour. and you would get a free oil change(penzsoil 10w-30) with oil and air filter and a coupon for a free car wash :D .

    M
     
  18. SlushboxTeggy

    SlushboxTeggy It's only stupid if it doesn't work VIP

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    bringing back this old thread just for conformation on the timing belt/water pump combination. would i use a gsr timing belt with the gsr water pump, even on my ls motor?
     
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    I was under the impression that you use the timing belt for the head you are using.
     
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    Once again back from the dead, just reallize that when you put in a gsr water pump, your engine will be pumping LESS water than an LS pump. It is designed to max out at a higher rpm, so flows less at lower rpm. I don't know if this changes your desire to have a gsr pump in the engine; if you are building your engine t rev higher, go for it. If you aleady changed everything, hope it was a good experience.
     
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