we may get screwed in the 2012 election.

[D16Civic]

Republicans and Democrats are two sides to the same coin. We need people who actually read the constitution. And we need to get away from from this lame ass two party system.

+1

When you're forced to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, the system is flawed.

The fact is that both parties suck. To pretend otherwise is crazy. The GOP sucks less right now (imo) because of their stance on economic policy.

Ron Paul in fact would have been most reflective of my beliefs, but it would also have been a wasted vote in a presidential election.

 

[klyph]

palin shoots animals. palin is hot. palin will keep more money in your pocket instead of giving it away to the lazy, stupid, and worthless.

what is there to debate?

Actually, I agree with you. Although she's a LONG way from being the ideal candidate, most of the political actions she took early in her political career have been conservative and promotional of resource development. Drill for oil, increase jobs by upgrading our infrastructure, reduce government interference and allow free market capitalism to thrive. These are all things I support.

It seems as though everyone likes to jump on the bandwagon and diss her, blaming things on her that she had nothing to do with. "She's an idiot", "bumbling cunt", etc. Yet how many of you have actually examined her political policies? How many of you are basing your dislike of her on Tina Fey skits or Jon Stewarts snarky commentary? I have yet to hear any of you actually give a legitimate reason for disliking her. I'm not saying you don't have them, or that they're not valid reasons, but for chrissake if you're going to allege that she would be more successful as an adult film star, you could at least voice your reasoning of why her political stance is so offensive to you.

 

[K2e2vin]

IIRC, Main thing people diss her on was stuff having to do with foreign affairs(or how she would be able to handle it). I think...been a while and didn't really pay much attention. lol.


Yeah...I didn't vote.

 

[klyph]

IIRC, Main thing people diss her on was stuff having to do with foreign affairs.

You mean the fact that she has an inhuman ability to see across the Bering straight?

 

[chestercheeto48]

Or the fact that she demonstrated that she had very little if any knowledge of current social or political events. Hell she couldn't even answer what books or magizines she has read in one of her interviews or what the Bush Doctrine was.

 

[DarkHand]

Or the fact that she demonstrated that she had very little if any knowledge of current social or political events. Hell she couldn't even answer what books or magizines she has read in one of her interviews or what the Bush Doctrine was.

She could have answered what books and magazines she reads (even if it was 'none'), but she was so terrified of her answer being 'wrong', or 'not what republicans want to hear', that she froze up. The problem with her is the fact that she's so strongly politicized; she'll do what's best for the party before doing what's best for the country.

Sadly 99.9% of all current politicians are the same way.

I'm completely on board with this movement now: No incumbents!

 

[klyph]

She could have answered what books and magazines she reads (even if it was 'none'), but she was so terrified of her answer being 'wrong', or 'not what republicans want to hear', that she froze up. The problem with her is the fact that she's so strongly politicized; she'll do what's best for the party before doing what's best for the country.

Sadly 99.9% of all current politicians are the same way.

I'm completely on board with this movement now: No incumbents!

Agreed. When she became governor, she truly acted for the best interests of the citizens of Alaska. After reaching the national level, she's not even the same person, just a GOP puppet.

 

[E_SolSi]

I'm completely on board with this movement now: No incumbents!

sweet... my idea is starting to take hold

 

[chestercheeto48]

Am I just looking at this wrong or isn't the "no emcubents" voting the same as the what we have now with people just voting the party line because that is what they were brought up doing? I fail to see how voting for somebody new for the sake of them being new changes anything? I understand the principle but I don't think it would ever work. Somebody enlighten me.

 

[K2e2vin]

I agree. "Career Politician". I'm sure the best candidates are not politicians, hence you would never hear of them.

 

[DarkHand]

It's a temporary fix, really. Term limits are the real answer, else you're just breeding a new batch of career politicians. Politicians that know they're only around for a few years would be a totally different breed.

That goes for every office, from Forest Preserve Commissioner up to House and Senate members: 1, maybe 2 terms and that's it. Afterward, no political office can be held whatsoever, nor any public position that interacts with politicians... lobbyists, etc. For life.

Suddenly, there's no longer any incentive to run for office other than representing the people of your home state or district, exactly as originally intended. The labyrinth that is our system of government has grown into has to be simplified to it's original design, for the simple fact that no one can fully comprehend it in the short amount of time they have. The beyond-mind-bending legal system has to be streamlined since judges are constantly being refreshed and lifetime judicial appointment would go away. You'd still have lawyers going for the position but even they don't have the same incentive as before.

Systems would need to be put in place to train up the new guard before the old guard goes away, especially in military and defense roles (yes it applies here too, or else the lifelong military leaders would essentially run the country, as the fresh government leaders would constantly defer to them for guidance). We're talking major Constitutional overhaul, primarily to provide for the fact that people are lazy as hell and cannot be counted on to vote. Even if they don't keep up on the issues and vote randomly, history has now proven that even random fresh blood is better than allowing those in power to entrench themselves. The only way I see that happening is with either a 'no incumbents' movement or a Constitutional Convention, and that's never happened in the history of the country. Mainly because it's so vaguely described in the Constitution that no one can agree on how it's supposed to work.

 

[klyph]

Our government operates on under the table deals and political favors. The system you propose will never gain acceptance.

 

[E_SolSi]

Am I just looking at this wrong or isn't the "no emcubents" voting the same as the what we have now with people just voting the party line because that is what they were brought up doing? I fail to see how voting for somebody new for the sake of them being new changes anything? I understand the principle but I don't think it would ever work. Somebody enlighten me.

think of it as a cleansing process

the whole concept behind "No Incumbents" is to remove dead weight, to get rid of the "career politician", who are most often concerned more with serving themselves and prolonging their own career than actually doing any real good for the people they are supposed to be serving... to break this idea that has developed in this country that the purpose of the people is to serve the government...

it goes like this:
in just about every race, unless someone is running uncontested, there is an incumbent, and a challenger... unless the incumbent has recently made you say "wow this person is going a really good job", you vote against them... it doesnt matter who the challenger is... it doesnt matter what party they are in... all that matters is that you are removing dead weight from office... if you happen to have the benefit of voting for a challenger that you actually like, consider it a bonus (in the 14 years ive been voting, ive only been able to vote FOR someone i really thought was the best person for the job once... the rest of the time i was usually either voting against someone or a flip of a coin / party line vote / eeny, meeny, miny, moe)...

the "No Incumbent" plan goes for every office... unless they have made you say "wow" recently, get rid of them...

with this "No Incumbent" plan in place, the waters of the government are going to be getting stirred up quite a bit, and they very well may get quite murky... you are going to end up with some shitty people in office, but hey thats really not much different than what we have now... keep up with it... vote the next section of dead weight out of office... this is something that needs to be stuck with for a while... it needs to be done over the course of a few election cycles...

eventually politicians will actually get the point... they will realize that THEY SERVE US... they will realize that we are willing and able to throw them away if they do not serve us well enough... they will know that they are not going to be allowed to sit there in office for 20, 30, 40 years, fucking off and taking up space... that if they want to be reelected they will actually have to work for it...

eventually we might actually end up with people in office who LISTEN TO US... who actually represent us... who serve our best interests... who are not part of this "Political Elite" class that we have created in this country, a government that respects, or at least fears it's people... and maybe we might actually get back to a "...government: of the people, by the people, for the people..."

its a novel concept i know... a government of common people, chosen and sent to office by common people, to serve the good of common people... insanity





well... that's my pipe dream anyway

 

[E_SolSi]

It's a temporary fix, really. Term limits is the real answer, else you're just breeding a new batch of career politicians. Politicians that know they're only around for a few years would be a totally different breed.

That goes for every office, from Forest Preserve Commissioner up to House and Senate members: 1, maybe 2 terms and that's it. Afterward, no political office can be held whatsoever, nor any public position that interacts with politicians... lobbyists, etc. For life.

Suddenly, there's no longer any incentive to run for office other than representing the people of your home state or district, exactly as originally intended. The labyrinth that is our system of government has grown into has to be simplified to it's original design, for the simple fact that no one can fully comprehend it in the short amount of time they have. The beyond-mind-bending legal system has to be streamlined since judges are constantly being refreshed and lifetime judicial appointment would go away.

Systems would need to be put in place to train up the new guard before the old guard goes away, especially in military and defense roles (yes it applies here too, or else the lifelong military leaders would essentially run the country, as the fresh government leaders would constantly defer to them for guidance). We're talking major Constitutional overhaul, primarily to provide for the fact that people are lazy as hell and cannot be counted on to vote. Even if they don't keep up on the issues and vote randomly, history has now proven that even random fresh blood is better than allowing those in power to entrench themselves. The only way I see that happening is with either a 'no incumbents' movement or a Constitutional Convention, and that's never happened in the history of the country. Mainly because it's so vaguely described in the Constitution that no one can agree on how it's supposed to work.

!!!!!!!

 

[klyph]

Just refuse to vote for partisan politicians, because they will always choose the party line over the will of the people.

 

[DarkHand]

think of it as a cleansing process

the whole concept behind "No Incumbents" is to remove dead weight, to get rid of the "career politician", who are most often concerned more with serving themselves and prolonging their own career than actually doing any real good for the people they are supposed to be serving... to break this idea that has developed in this country that the purpose of the people is to serve the government...

it goes like this:
in just about every race, unless someone is running uncontested, there is an incumbent, and a challenger... unless the incumbent has recently made you say "wow this person is going a really good job", you vote against them... it doesnt matter who the challenger is... it doesnt matter what party they are in... all that matters is that you are removing dead weight from office... if you happen to have the benefit of voting for a challenger that you actually like, consider it a bonus (in the 14 years ive been voting, ive only been able to vote FOR someone i really thought was the best person for the job once... the rest of the time i was usually either voting against someone or a flip of a coin / party line vote / eeny, meeny, miny, moe)...

the "No Incumbent" plan goes for every office... unless they have made you say "wow" recently, get rid of them...

with this "No Incumbent" plan in place, the waters of the government are going to be getting stirred up quite a bit, and they very well may get quite murky... you are going to end up with some shitty people in office, but hey thats really not much different than what we have now... keep up with it... vote the next section of dead weight out of office... this is something that needs to be stuck with for a while... it needs to be done over the course of a few election cycles...

eventually politicians will actually get the point... they will realize that THEY SERVE US... they will realize that we are willing and able to throw them away if they do not serve us well enough... they will know that they are not going to be allowed to sit there in office for 20, 30, 40 years, fucking off and taking up space... that if they want to be reelected they will actually have to work for it...

eventually we might actually end up with people in office who LISTEN TO US... who actually represent us... who serve our best interests... who are not part of this "Political Elite" class that we have created in this country, a government that respects, or at least fears it's people... and maybe we might actually get back to a "...government: of the people, by the people, for the people..."

its a novel concept i know... a government of common people, chosen and sent to office by common people, to serve the good of common people... insanity





well... that's my pipe dream anyway

!!!!!

Hell, we can unite people cross-party with this idea. "We can both agree that things are crappy right now. I don't care what party you elect, just make it someone new."

 

[E_SolSi]

spread the word... this could catch on

 

[K2e2vin]

Make a Facebook page.

 

[dacheat]

she should just go away.

x2. she makes me facepalm, mostly because she's trying to represent women in politics and i think she's an idiot.

Ya she's a bumbling cunt. She should just get it over with and make porn.

lol!

If you pay taxes on land, you can vote.

i'm a fan of your B option, as i pay rent, but don't own land.


and final note - god i hope she's not capable of splitting a ticket.

 

[95b16coupe]

spread the word... this could catch on

it would work great, until people in new orleans hear about it.