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what cams should I run with this set up?

Discussion in 'Engine Building' started by hatchman, Nov 23, 2004.

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  1. hatchman

    hatchman Junior Member

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    I have san 1996 gsr with dc header, skunk2 intake manifold, thermal exhaust, test pipe, aem cam gears, and 9.3 mm spark plug wires with ngk plugs. I am going to put an type r transmission on it with an exedy clutch, and I need to know a good set of cams to run I thought about skunk2 stage 2 but if there are some better ones let me now please this will be an all motor project with a shot of nitrous. I will put in a ferra valve train too. I will be running hondata too, the question I have about that is should I buy the three bar map sensor too or no? I won't touch the bottom end until the summer. My shot will be a 60 shot dry at open thottle.
     
  2. integraslut78

    integraslut78 Stylus DJ Extraordinaire

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    I have the Crower stage 2 and they are little bit too aggressive for my setup so I think you may want to look into stage 1's, but I have a LS.
     
  3. sohcslammer

    sohcslammer Senior Member

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    I personally like the specs and the price on the zex/comp cams #57200. I also like crane's 253-0012 cam. But the best cam out on the market for the B series is suposed to be the Buddy Club spec 3. Actually the spec 4s just came out last week, but I haven't heard anything about them yet. Let me look into it....

    **Edit** - I checked out buddy club's website and they still only list the spec 3s. I'll keep looking for the spec 4s but I heard they are race only so the spec 3s are probablly what you want anyway.

    Description from Modacar -
    Buddyclub spec III camshafts best new cam on the market. best overall power band gains of any cam.
    This cam creates an ideal power band, with substantial power gains from idle all the way up to red line.
    Buddy Club spec III cams are easy to tune and have much better throttle response than OEM cams.
    Definitely a versatile cam, accomodating compression ratios from 10.0:1 all the way to 13+. After testing 14 sets of different cams in our project car, we found this cam to be the most impressive...Even though it did not make the most peak Hp, it had the best over all powerband and response!
    Dyno gains of 8+ Wheel Horsepower @ 4000 RPM and 10+ Wheel Horsepower @ 8200 rpm. OVER Civic Type R cams. Peak torque also increased from 2-10 ft/lbs across the entire rev range.
    This camshafts is ideal for stock bottom end ls/crv VTEC's reving to 8,000-8500. Tuning & technical advice is also available from us after you have purchased these camshafts

    Buddy Club Cams
     
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    sohcslammer Senior Member

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    Do you have a stage 2 clutch with a stage 3 turbo and stage 1 weight reduction? :lol:

    You have the crower 60403s dummy. Called the 403s for short. In reallity they would be like a stage 3 or 3.5 cam. There is the 401s, the 402s, the 402ts, and another 402 I believe before your cams. Only the 404s are more aggressive.
     
  5. integraslut78

    integraslut78 Stylus DJ Extraordinaire

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    Actually I have the 62403-2 cams.
     
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    MikeBergy Blah blah blah....

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    Sounds like you haven't put a lot of thought into how you want to build your car. You won't need a 3 bar MAP unless you are boosting, the ferrea valve train is useless unless you are porting the head, and skunk2 stage 2 and buddy club sp.3 sound they will be too radical for your current mod list. I would suggest some Rocket cams at m24x; talk to robert about what profile will be best for your setup. Skunk2 stage 1 or ctr cams would be beneficial to you, and can be had for fairly cheap. What cam profile you choose depends on what plans you have for your motor, but basicaly what you want right now will be something mild like I mentioned earlier.
     
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    K2e2vin Senior Member

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    i havent seen rocket m24 dynos(except maybe the car that omnipower built) but the buddy club spec III+'s idle the same as the CTR cams and i remember someone dynoed it against s2s2 cams and the buddy clubs made more power. also with the buddy club you dont have to rev past 8000 or 9000rpm to make power.
     
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    Dont listen to any one else :p Go to IB specs web site and talk to jeff. This guy needs help jeff can offer. cams and valve train. Hes gonna be up shit creek if he keeps lisining to you douche bags. Jeffs got his shit down, and the wicked cams were very impresive.

    :lol:

    Fuckin mother fuckers.............stooge oone chimes in and then his fuckin partner in doucheism scrode number two. :headsmash:

    You guys are like those two douche bags the turbo twins, you sound like a couple of fuckin imbread import tuner fans.

    What a couple a dingle berrys



    And oh yeah what the F 'uck are you talking about maps sensors for. In all honesty it sounds like you needto do some more research man.
     
  9. pissedoffsol

    pissedoffsol RETIRED

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    if anyone wants buddy club shit, i got a hook up.

    talk to me WHEN YOU ARE READY TO BUY.
    I am not tech support, i don't have prices, and I don't have time to be so. If you are ready to purchase a buddy club item, be it cams or wheels, i can get it for you for sick prices. pm me with what you want and only if you intend to buy it.
     
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    brian11to1 Senior Member

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    There are the:

    62401 - Stock replacement, automatic, mild turbo. Idle to 7000+.
    62402 - Stage 1- Street use and agressive Turbo or Nitrous. Idle to 7500 rpm. (up to 12 hp).
    62402-t - Stage 2 - Turbo/Super Charger specially designed specifically for forced induction applications. Features short duration, high lift for added cylinder pressure and good bottom end power. Requires kit 84162.
    62403 - Stage 2 - Street/Strip package. MOST POPULAR profile. Requires 84162 kit. 1000 to 8000+ rpm (15-18 hp).
    62404 - Stage 3 - 3/4 Race, recommended for mostly strip. Requires 84162 kit and ECU mod. 1100 to 8200+ rpm, lope at idle. Springs required. (18-21 hp). (Will pull on ITR's w/mild mods)
    62405A - Stage 3 - Full race, all-out, all-motor drag profile. Not for the inexperienced tuner. Requires 84162 kit. 1200 to 8500+ rpm.
    62405-2's - Stage 3 - Full race. Cylinder head, rocker and valve train modifications and machine work required. Titanium valves recommended. 1300-9000+ rpm. (22+ hp)

    Therefore the 62403'sa re not a stage 3 or 3.5 cam. It is infact a stage 2 cam. Stage 3 starts @ 404's.

    Sorry I posted this but I cant stand when people speculate.
     
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    sohcslammer Senior Member

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    I don't know where you got your "information" but the 401s are a stage 1. The 402s are a stage 2 and guess what? Yep, the 403s are a stage 3. The 401s are NOT a stock replacement. And if you look up the specs on the 403s they are more agressive than just about any other stage 2 cam. I am also pretty sure there is another 402 that you didn't list.
     
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    brian11to1 Senior Member

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    Ok... So you're saying the info I got from HTTP://CROWER.COM is wrong?
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    Well then look at this picture which I took a screen shot from @ http://crower.com/cat/import/honda/camshafts.shtml Scroll down to the "Crower Acura B18A and B18B DOHC Camshafts (Non VTEC)" You sir, are wrong.
     
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    sohcslammer Senior Member

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    63400-2 Stock replacement/mild-Turbo/automatic Int-279 mid Exh-280 mid Int-234 mid Exh-220 mid Int-.422 mid Exh-.378 mid
    63401-2 Stage 1 - Street Use, CTR+ profile. Will work with Type-R valve springs. rpm range idle to 7800+. (12-15 hp). Int-282 mid Exh-277 mid Int-239 mid Exh-229 mid Int-.446 mid Exh-.413 mid
    63401T-2 Stage 2 - Turbo special design. Short duration = low overlap, high lift for increased performance. Requires 68185 spring. Int-280 mid Exh-276 mid Int-230 mid Exh-226 mid Int-.465 mid Exh-.445 mid
    63402A-2 Stage 2 - Stock idle lobes w/63402 VTEC lobe. Requires 68185 spring unless stock rev limiter. rpm idle to 8250+. Int-297 mid Exh-287 mid Int-246 mid Exh-239 mid Int-.466 mid Exh-.465 mid
    63402-2 Stage 2 - Road/Rally & Street/Strip. MOST POPULAR for all-motor applications. Requires 84161 spring/retainer kit. VTEC controller recommended. rpm 1000-8300+. (18-21 hp) Int-297 mid Exh-287 mid Int-248 mid Exh-240 mid Int-.466 mid Exh-.465 mid
    63403-2 Stage 3 - All-motor Drag race profile. Requires 84161 spring/retainer kit with modified ECU. VTEC controller recommended. (23+ hp w/other mods). Int-295 mid Exh-293 mid Int-257 mid Exh-246 mid Int-.472 mid Exh-.466 mid
    00063-2 Custom and proprietary grinds available, contact factory for specs.



    OK we can stop arguing now. I guess their VTEC and non VTEC cams are different. In the VTEC cams the 63401 is stage 1 and so on. My bad, I guess we are both right. :shrug:
     
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    This why I posted the info about the LS cams made by Crower. So either you just cant read or didnt pay enough attention to the fact he wrote 62403-2 and not 63403-2. Either way, I was posting factual information.
     
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    I apologize for side stepping the subject. But, he's write do it all at once and in the future so you can do tons more research and dont go in blindly (like so many people have done).
     
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    Dude, let it go jackass. I've been friends with the guy for like 15 years. I helped him build his car. I think I know it's a fucking LS. I just didn't know that crower used 62401 as a stock replacement and 63401 as a stage one. I only had seen the VTEC specs before. But I'm glad it makes you feel superior to keep pointing out that you were right and I was wrong and how smart you are.

    Shut the fuck up. No one likes you anyway. :fuckyou3:
     
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    integraslut78 Stylus DJ Extraordinaire

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    :lmao:
     
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    Fuck all these aftermarket cams and get a good 2.5 inch collector header and some ITR or Skunk2 stage Is. Most of the cams mentioned need more compression than a stock GSR bottom end has, either of these two are good, cheap alternatives. If you want to spray get a wet shot, not some half-assed dry shot.
     
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