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What can a stock b16 handle?

Discussion in 'Engine Building' started by 93civicracer, Jun 18, 2009.

  1. 93civicracer

    93civicracer Oh, I do a little here and there.

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    Due to a recent change of events I might just have the money to work on a Honda again soon :D

    I'm planning for now because nothing's guaranteed. But what I want to do is find either a 4th or 5th gen Crx or Civic hatch and run a nitrous b16 OR b18. I'm looking for around 300-400 hp on the bottle, main reason for going nitrous is it's a lot less expensive than turbo, creates loads of torque, and it's so fucking fun to be forced back into your seat :D and it cools combustion down rather than creating an overheating problem.

    The plan is to get the bolt-ons, spray it, and gut the whole car other than possibly one lightweight passenger seat. Gonna take full advantage of that Honda power to weight :). I'm also getting an LSD tranny IF this happens.

    So does anyone know what kind of power a stock b16 can handle and what can a stock B18 GSR engine handle? I'm planning on building the head anyway but I'm not sure on what the block can handle, I can lower my expectations if either engine can take a 100 whp shot stock.

    Either way it's not gonna be like my last swap where I just threw it in I'm gonna tear this engine down and rebuild and I'm probably going to build the head anyway just for increased longevity since this car will be screaming at 7,500+ rpms often. Can't decide which engine to go with because if a b16 easily reaches my goal there's no need to waste extra on a gsr but if a gsr can handle THAT much more I might have to reconsider.
     
  2. blasterman87

    blasterman87 New Member

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    ive read a 75 shot is safe for a b16, but again its just what ive read
     
  3. serrilion

    serrilion In my own little world! VIP

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    Well I can tell ya that putting a 75 shot is ok, depending on Dry or wet or both.... I would do some bottom and top part of the block building then ya can squeez alot more boom booms in there, also low comp pistons will help more... hope it helps :)
     
  4. 93civicracer

    93civicracer Oh, I do a little here and there.

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    I know they can handle 75 stock even a d-series in good shape will take a 75 but I've never really known what a B16 can take stock with a good tune. I know B16's will take about 250whp stock turbo with a good tune at least that much so I'm thinking of a 100 shot probably will take me to 240-ish whp.

    Hmmm...little gutted light ass Crx or 4th gen hatch with a rebuilt b16 and LSD trans, some head work to handle the revs, bolt-ons and a 100whp wet shot from NX. Maybe a stronger clutch and some slicks and I could hit high 11's to mid 12's?

    Forged internals and a 200 shot for 10's :D?
     
  5. jamesA

    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    Or a lot of wheel spin and broken axles...
     
  6. 95b16coupe

    95b16coupe New Member

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    biggest bullshit ever.

    nitrous=$600
    4 bottles of nitrous=$200
    tuning=$300

    turbo kit=$1200 if you build it yourself.

    it's not a big difference if you are going to do it right. if you half ass it, there will be a difference, then you will pay for repairs too.
     
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    blasterman87 New Member

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    how bout turbo and nitrous... best of both worlds
     
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    95b16coupe New Member

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    how about blowing the welds on the intake manifold. ^_^
     
  9. blasterman87

    blasterman87 New Member

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    it would be fun while it lasted..lol, but if done right it would last
     
  10. 93civicracer

    93civicracer Oh, I do a little here and there.

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    Doubt that. There's a guy around here with an integra he's running a built GSR with a 200 shot and he's been racing it almost every weekend for over a year now no problems. On street tires. I'd get some small steelies and deflate the tires a little until I could get some slicks because he does get some wheel spin but he can drive.

    There's also a rex around here running a 150 shot on an b20vtec build.

    Neither are tuned and they've been around for a while with no major problems, that's why I want to go nitrous, those things are fast. Not to mention Hondas make shit for torque and nitrous will definitely up it a notch.
     
  11. daveholiday

    daveholiday Do work

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    Well it sounds like you know what a GSR can handle then, so why even ask? Sounds to me like you know enough about these people's cars to have a conversation with them, so go ask them what they think.

    If you ask me, I'd say scrap the whole idea, buy a naked 'Busa, and boost that with about 5 lbs.
     
  12. SLOWdelawareEG

    SLOWdelawareEG my cars go fast

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    hahahaha. bud light went right out my nose:D
     
  13. 93civicracer

    93civicracer Oh, I do a little here and there.

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    This guy's GSR is built I was asking about stock.
     
  14. efhondakid

    efhondakid My name is Byron. VIP

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    Perfect way to find out what it can take, start at a 75, then increase 25 until it pukes a rod out of the block, then youll know how much it can take.
     
  15. Matts96HB

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    Nitrous is ghey mmk..

    What a waste. If you really think about it, you're just paying to go fast every time you squeeze.

    The way I see it:
    Turbo/Supercharge a car RIGHT, and only do it once. Get it tuned, and enjoy.

    Nitrous done to a car right.. you still need to get it tuned, and you still pay every time you have to go fill that bottle up.

    In the event that you should want more power:
    Turbo - Crank on the boost controller, and have it retuned.

    Nitrous - Change the nozzle, have it retuned. Still paying to refill it.


    IMO, Nitrous is a waste of time. The only time anything of that sort will find its way onto my car is for a fogging system on the intercooler.
     
  16. 93civicracer

    93civicracer Oh, I do a little here and there.

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    I can see your point. But since I'm not a street racer and don't have much of an income anyway or time to race, I wouldn't be at the track that often. So I'd probably never spend as much with nitrous as I would with FI anyway. I've already thought this over and figured nitrous is best for my goals.

    However, like I said it's not guaranteed, and things have turned for the worst so I won't be able to build a Honda any time soon. Gotta save for college and a daily car first, and for a little while there it seemed very much like I was going to get a free car and some college $$. Can't wait to land the job after getting my education or, rather, the certificate that proves it ;).
     
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    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    There's a difference in building an engine/drivetrain to handle it, and a stock Si engine/drivetrain. Putting even a small 50 shot on a stock Si and slamming gears on street tires is going to produce wheel hop and spin pretty easily.
     
  18. 95b16coupe

    95b16coupe New Member

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    if you can't afford to do it right, you can't afford to get it fixed when it blows. stop trying to do it half assed. i know it's impossible to teach an 18 year old to have some patience, but wait until you get out of school or get a higher paying job.
     
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    nos

    You dont have to get a tune for NOS if you run a 100shot or less on a bone stock motor, and if you want to run a bigger shot put some forged pistons & H beam rods in, tune JUST that setup without running the nos. NOS is not continuously run through your motor such as turbo/superchargers, unless you have a nasty car that's sole purpose is to demolish people on a race track. Also if you are running a turbo you have to get it tuned no matter if its 5 pounds of boost, with a substantial amount or boost (more than 8-10) its a good idea to throw in forged pistons/ rods anyways.
    Example - do it yourself turbo kit $1200, tune $1000 we wont count in rods & pistons since they are about the same price depending on brand

    NOS setup - $550 - $700 ........... thats it


    IMO, nitrous can be just as effective as if not better than a turbo or a supercharger, and can cost alot less
     
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    SLOWdelawareEG my cars go fast

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    its butt-fucktards like you that give this site a bad name. a 100-shot on a stock motor untuned!!!????? then throw in some rods and tune it without the juice???? $1000 for a tune???? dont need a tune for ""NOS"":confused::confused:

    ok paul walker, grab vin diesel, a stock b16a, and a fuckload of "naws":D blast a 100 shot on an untuned motor and ride off into the sunset.....
     
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