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sohcslammer · 07-31-2005, 08:29 PM

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Apex's version

Everyone is raving about these on every forum but this one. I just thought I would let people know about some other options now that omnipower is in question.....

And

I have ridden in a car with them and

they rode very well.

scottp11 · 07-31-2005, 08:40 PM

They LOOK very nice, but I'd have to see a little more proof before I go spend $900 bucks on "megan racing" coilovers...

allbottledup · 07-31-2005, 08:41 PM

sounds pretty damn good for the price.

asmallsol · 07-31-2005, 08:58 PM

other then looks, is there any proof that the Megan ones are rebadged Apexi's? Trust me, there is way more to a shock on the inside then on the outside.

sohcslammer · 07-31-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by asmallsol@Jul 31 2005, 08:58 PM
other then looks, is there any proof that the Megan ones are rebadged Apexi's? Trust me, there is way more to a shock on the inside then on the outside.

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Both the Apex and the Megan are rebaged. The original man. is in taiwan. I posted the link above.

Lazy Guy Link :P

Google it up. All the 240 forums and lots of honda forums are posting the same info - rides great, includes pillow mounts, I think the civic springrates are 10/10, and the price is

Calesta · 07-31-2005, 09:28 PM

Which other forum doesn't like them? Honda-Tech I assume?

sohcslammer · 07-31-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by Calesta@Jul 31 2005, 09:28 PM
Which other forum doesn't like them? Honda-Tech I assume?

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I never saw anything bad posted about them anywhere else.

I don't spend a lot of time on Honda-tech though. I first found out about them from my friend who had a 240. Apparently they are big with the drift crowd. But the hondas have higher spring rates.

IDK, I'm just posting some info I learned today. Everyone flamed me before for saying they were a decent alternative to omnipowers. I believe the common consensus was that unless they were outsourced then they must be shit. Well, yeah, they are outsourced. And Apex thinks they are good enough to put their name on and I think that is saying something.

Calesta · 07-31-2005, 10:08 PM

Hmm.

I still want more concrete proof that they're the exact same coilovers as the Apex'i. Either way, I don't want to buy that set- I'm leaning more towards the Tein FLEX or SRC with EDFC.

By the way- you can't really compare spring rates between different suspension geometries- the mount points on the control arms and distance between all the pivots makes a huge difference on what spring rates are required for the same stiffness at the wheels when you're comparing between cars.

asmallsol · 07-31-2005, 10:13 PM

Mike, why are you in the market for teins again. What happened to your old tein Flex's?

civicious · 08-01-2005, 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by sohcslammer
Everyone flamed me before for saying they were a decent alternative to omnipowers.

Anything that doesn't break in half when you're going down the track is a 'decent alternative to omnipowers'.

Calesta · 08-01-2005, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by asmallsol@Jul 31 2005, 09:13 PM
Mike, why are you in the market for teins again. What happened to your old tein Flex's?

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They're still good. Who said I was in the market again?

asmallsol · 08-01-2005, 06:32 AM

OIC...

pissedoffsol · 08-01-2005, 09:57 AM

10k/10k on a civic is a horrible match. the ass end of your car is going to be all over the place.

i'd run a 14k front with a 10k rear, or an 8k rear with the 10k front.

unless you're building a drag car.... but shit, who cares about drag racing....

ya know, now that i think about it-- thats probably why.

everyone is all about "the quarter" y0....

sure, a nice stiff rear rate will be nice for a launch.

unfortunately, drag racing is gay, and we here at hondaswap, actually like to turn, too.

sohcslammer · 08-01-2005, 10:05 AM

I'm not sure on the spring rates. I'll see if I can find out what they really are. I would think that yes, you want more spring in the front.

I don't see how 10/10 would be worse than 6/8 or some of the other rates cheapo springs have though.

pissedoffsol · 08-01-2005, 11:07 AM

tein ha and ss's have 8/6 F/R.... as do most coilovers in the 1k ish price range.

thats why i was liking the omnis... they actually had a decent spring rate on 'em.

even though the 8/6 is lower than what I would like, i would still take it over an unbalanced 10/10.

10/10 would be great, if the car had a 50/50 weight distribution and was RWD... lol

sohcslammer · 08-01-2005, 11:21 AM

Sorry. Specs say 12/8 for 96-00 civic/integra.

That seems like like a big difference between front and back, doesn't it?

Edit - They are the VH design.

<-- clicky

civicious · 08-01-2005, 01:18 PM

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Only you eguip with BC's shocks, you can profoundly find out our professional and now we are careful with the performance.

Huh?

pissedoffsol · 08-01-2005, 01:49 PM

bablefish couldn't even read that....

Calesta · 08-01-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Aug 1 2005, 10:07 AM
tein ha and ss's have 8/6 F/R.... as do most coilovers in the 1k ish price range.

thats why i was liking the omnis... they actually had a decent spring rate on 'em.

even though the 8/6 is lower than what I would like, i would still take it over an unbalanced 10/10.

10/10 would be great, if the car had a 50/50 weight distribution and was RWD... lol

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9/6 on the Civic actually feels really good to me. It might be a little low for you, but it's actually very neutral with all the other stuff I have on the car.

asmallsol · 08-01-2005, 11:39 PM

Yea, my 8/6 with 22mm rear and 24 front with GSR endlinks (not as stiff ast eh ITR front endlinks) was extremely nuetral too. My instructor at my last track day really liked the setup as well.

E_SolSi · 08-01-2005, 11:45 PM

shit my tanabes are 6/4 and i have absolutly no problems with them.... car handles fucking great... and doesnt hop around on rough surfaces

sohcslammer · 08-01-2005, 11:46 PM

So how does 12/8 sound to you guys? I would think it should be 12/10 or 10/8. Is that to big of a difference in you guys opinion?

Calesta · 08-01-2005, 11:54 PM

I would initially say that it's too stiff, but that puts you at the same ratio as my 9/6 setup... a 10/8 will work really well too, give you a slightly smoother ride, and turn better than a 12/8 though.

asmallsol · 08-02-2005, 12:34 AM

well what I see with all the new cheap coilovers (omni, these, d2, ect) all come with EXTREMLY stiff springs. This is exactly like the really cheap POS ebay sleve coilvoers like Dropzones, apc's and Skunk2. Sometimes companys us extremely stiff springs to hide other things. This could be to hide the quality of the spring itself, the reaction rates on the dampers, ect. A set of Motons, Tein N1's, JIC, ZEAL, ect have extremly agressive dampers to match the spring rates. I would like to see these coilovers on a shock dyno before I would say that these are good alternatives to more expensive setups.

pissedoffsol · 08-02-2005, 08:24 AM

good point.

08-02-2005, 12:34 AM	#24
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 102	well what I see with all the new cheap coilovers (omni, these, d2, ect) all come with EXTREMLY stiff springs. This is exactly like the really cheap POS ebay sleve coilvoers like Dropzones, apc's and Skunk2. Sometimes companys us extremely stiff springs to hide other things. This could be to hide the quality of the spring itself, the reaction rates on the dampers, ect. A set of Motons, Tein N1's, JIC, ZEAL, ect have extremly agressive dampers to match the spring rates. I would like to see these coilovers on a shock dyno before I would say that these are good alternatives to more expensive setups. __________________ Collin Material Science and Engineering Michigan Technological University


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07-31-2005, 08:29 PM	#1
sohcslammer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 36	Read Actual company that makes them Apex's version Everyone is raving about these on every forum but this one. I just thought I would let people know about some other options now that omnipower is in question..... And I have ridden in a car with them and they rode very well.

07-31-2005, 08:40 PM	#2
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 28 Posts: 986 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 31	They LOOK very nice, but I'd have to see a little more proof before I go spend $900 bucks on "megan racing" coilovers...

07-31-2005, 08:41 PM	#3
allbottledup Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Egg Harbor City NJ Age: 28 Posts: 1,533 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 Honda Civic EX Rep Power: 27	sounds pretty damn good for the price.

07-31-2005, 08:58 PM	#4
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 102	other then looks, is there any proof that the Megan ones are rebadged Apexi's? Trust me, there is way more to a shock on the inside then on the outside.

07-31-2005, 09:28 PM	#6
Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 25,414 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 392	Which other forum doesn't like them? Honda-Tech I assume?

07-31-2005, 10:08 PM	#8
Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 25,414 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 392	Hmm. I still want more concrete proof that they're the exact same coilovers as the Apex'i. Either way, I don't want to buy that set- I'm leaning more towards the Tein FLEX or SRC with EDFC. By the way- you can't really compare spring rates between different suspension geometries- the mount points on the control arms and distance between all the pivots makes a huge difference on what spring rates are required for the same stiffness at the wheels when you're comparing between cars.

07-31-2005, 10:13 PM	#9
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 102	Mike, why are you in the market for teins again. What happened to your old tein Flex's?

08-01-2005, 06:32 AM	#12
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 102	OIC...

08-01-2005, 09:57 AM	#13
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,950 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 532	10k/10k on a civic is a horrible match. the ass end of your car is going to be all over the place. i'd run a 14k front with a 10k rear, or an 8k rear with the 10k front. unless you're building a drag car.... but shit, who cares about drag racing.... ya know, now that i think about it-- thats probably why. everyone is all about "the quarter" y0.... sure, a nice stiff rear rate will be nice for a launch. unfortunately, drag racing is gay, and we here at hondaswap, actually like to turn, too.

08-01-2005, 10:05 AM	#14
sohcslammer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 36	I'm not sure on the spring rates. I'll see if I can find out what they really are. I would think that yes, you want more spring in the front. I don't see how 10/10 would be worse than 6/8 or some of the other rates cheapo springs have though.

08-01-2005, 11:07 AM	#15
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,950 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 532	tein ha and ss's have 8/6 F/R.... as do most coilovers in the 1k ish price range. thats why i was liking the omnis... they actually had a decent spring rate on 'em. even though the 8/6 is lower than what I would like, i would still take it over an unbalanced 10/10. 10/10 would be great, if the car had a 50/50 weight distribution and was RWD... lol

08-01-2005, 11:21 AM	#16
sohcslammer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 36	Sorry. Specs say 12/8 for 96-00 civic/integra. That seems like like a big difference between front and back, doesn't it? Edit - They are the VH design. <-- clicky

08-01-2005, 01:49 PM	#18
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,950 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 532	bablefish couldn't even read that....

08-01-2005, 11:39 PM	#20
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 102	Yea, my 8/6 with 22mm rear and 24 front with GSR endlinks (not as stiff ast eh ITR front endlinks) was extremely nuetral too. My instructor at my last track day really liked the setup as well.

08-01-2005, 11:45 PM	#21
E_SolSi Member of the 20 nut club Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CT Age: 32 Posts: 20,311 iTrader: 1 / 100% Rep Power: 736	shit my tanabes are 6/4 and i have absolutly no problems with them.... car handles fucking great... and doesnt hop around on rough surfaces

08-01-2005, 11:46 PM	#22
sohcslammer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 36	So how does 12/8 sound to you guys? I would think it should be 12/10 or 10/8. Is that to big of a difference in you guys opinion?

08-01-2005, 11:54 PM	#23
Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 25,414 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 392	I would initially say that it's too stiff, but that puts you at the same ratio as my 9/6 setup... a 10/8 will work really well too, give you a slightly smoother ride, and turn better than a 12/8 though.

08-02-2005, 08:24 AM	#25
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,950 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 532	good point.

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