there it goes....
http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/07/news/fortu...sings/index.htm
how long before gm is null and void?
http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/07/news/fortu...sings/index.htm
how long before gm is null and void?
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Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Jun 7 2005, 12:12 PM
they need to get their act together and make a car that doesn't suck.
let's compare mid-priced sedans... something our mom's would drive.
~20-25-ish nicely equipped
toyota camry
honda accord
pontiac grand am/G6
nissan altima
chevy malibu
chevy mote carlo
i think thats a fair list of the more common cars in that price range
the camry-- best selling car for like 15 years or so... and theres a reason for it. reliability, nice interior, comfortable, enough pep for mom.
the accord - new body lines, lots of options, nice seats/interior, sporty, yet classy.. and now availble with a hybrid for even better MPG and more power from the assist.Â
the altima -- nice interior, nice new body, hid's, tons of options, tons f colors, nice seats, etc etc
the mailbu-Â looks like ass, slow as fuck, monekys could make a better car.
the mote carlo- out dated design, mom doesn't want to drive a "nascar" body kit POS, the interior is crap, the reliabilty is crap, and its over priced for what you get. not to mention, shitty gas mileage.
the grand am... see above. other than hints at a new design, its STILL the same body it was in 1994.
theres a connection here.
if GM made a decent car that didin't suck, they might be on to something.
they WERE on to something with the 400 hp GTo... but the base model starts at 32k, and speced with a manual tranny and non gay stuff, you're up to 36-38k out the door. why? you can buy a 1 year old bmw for that price, or an STi/Evo with 6k in mods.
no one wants to spend more money for less car.
thats why GM is going under.
dodge realized this, and put out a bunch of new shit over the past few years, and they are back in the game hard.
gm answers the srt-4 with the colbalt???
gm answers the hemi-powered cars with the SSR???
i mean, seriously... their design crew are fuktards.
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Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Jun 7 2005, 10:12 AM
they need to get their act together and make a car that doesn't suck.
let's compare mid-priced sedans... something our mom's would drive.
~20-25-ish nicely equipped
toyota camry
honda accord
pontiac grand am/G6
nissan altima
chevy malibu
chevy mote carlo
i think thats a fair list of the more common cars in that price range
the camry-- best selling car for like 15 years or so... and theres a reason for it. reliability, nice interior, comfortable, enough pep for mom.
the accord - new body lines, lots of options, nice seats/interior, sporty, yet classy.. and now availble with a hybrid for even better MPG and more power from the assist.
the altima -- nice interior, nice new body, hid's, tons of options, tons f colors, nice seats, etc etc
the mailbu- looks like ass, slow as fuck, monekys could make a better car.
the mote carlo- out dated design, mom doesn't want to drive a "nascar" body kit POS, the interior is crap, the reliabilty is crap, and its over priced for what you get. not to mention, shitty gas mileage.
the grand am... see above. other than hints at a new design, its STILL the same body it was in 1994.
theres a connection here.
if GM made a decent car that didin't suck, they might be on to something.
they WERE on to something with the 400 hp GTo... but the base model starts at 32k, and speced with a manual tranny and non gay stuff, you're up to 36-38k out the door. why? you can buy a 1 year old bmw for that price, or an STi/Evo with 6k in mods.
no one wants to spend more money for less car.
thats why GM is going under.
dodge realized this, and put out a bunch of new shit over the past few years, and they are back in the game hard.
gm answers the srt-4 with the colbalt???
gm answers the hemi-powered cars with the SSR???
i mean, seriously... their design crew are fuktards.
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Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Jun 7 2005, 11:16 AM
there it goes....
http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/07/news/fortu...sings/index.htm
how long before gm is null and void?
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Originally posted by 2000Si+Jun 7 2005, 06:42 PM-->That'd odd really. Because GM is hiring here down at the truck plant at the I69 and I469 interchange.
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Just because they're hiring for the truck line doesn't mean the company still isn't in trouble as a whole.
Cashizslick@Jun 7 2005, 08:08 PM
This is proof that Union's have outlived their usefulness.
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Originally posted by Calesta+Jun 7 2005, 09:38 PM-->Originally posted by 2000Si@Jun 7 2005, 06:42 PM
That'd odd really. Because GM is hiring here down at the truck plant at the I69 and I469 interchange.
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Just because they're hiring for the truck line doesn't mean the company still isn't in trouble as a whole.
Cashizslick@Jun 7 2005, 08:08 PM
This is proof that Union's have outlived their usefulness.
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UAW sucks.
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Originally posted by micah@Jun 8 2005, 10:36 AM
the new z06 will have 550 hp, the highest of any production vette ever.
and they are reviving the ss line, impala ss is supposed to have 450 hp.
its all in the new motor trend. maybe that will help them out.
i think they were dumbasses for dropping the trans am in favor of the gto
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Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Jun 8 2005, 10:54 AM
if it was 30-33k, there would be 5x as many of them around town, and chevy might actually be able to turn a profit off them.
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Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Jun 8 2005, 01:54 PM
and even if the vette has stupid power, its still not a big seller. the average joe doesn't spend 50k on a car.
there is NOTHING in that car that makes it worth the price.
if it was 30-33k, there would be 5x as many of them around town, and chevy might actually be able to turn a profit off them.
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