New car....help me decide

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What's up fellas! It's been a while but I've been busy huntin, golfin, and raising my kid.

Some of you may remember about 3 years ago I bought the wife a legacy since she was about to pop out the kid and was commuting over a pass everyday. Well 3 years later we have sold our house and moved to where she doesn't have a commute and I do. So now she's driving the truck and I'm driving the Subaru. Long story short, the Subaru has been a great car but it is boring af to drive. As long as I'm making a car payment it might as well be something I like to drive.

I've sort of landed on either a 17 civic si or a focus st. I am not at all a fan of the looks of the civic but I like Honda reliability, resale, and the added millage of it. As far as the focus it has a little more power, I think it looks way better, I like that it's a hatchback, and I like the stereo/ entertainment interface a little better.

Any thoughts?
 
Between those two...I'd probably take the Focus. It's sad to say that after being pretty loyal to Honda all these years, but the Focus is just a better package, IMO. Also, Ford has at least been doing the boost thing for a while now. I'd like to assume that Honda did their homework and that their turbo engines will still be on the road and going strong 10 years and 200k miles from now, but they're unproven at the moment. Honda's sadly not quite what it used to be. My parents have an 09 Civic and 12 CR-V, and both of them have far more weird, random problems than any of my old ass Hondas ever did.
 
Fuck the focus st or the fiesta st , fiesta st kills transmissions (on my 3rd in my 16) and the FoST has ring land issues, fun cars but if you get one 110% needs to have a warranty and plan on getting rid of it before out of warranty, now if you have 25-30k to spend get a 1st gen ctsv or c6 vette
 
agree, i'd pass on the ST cars. Si is a better choice and i believe comes with a mechanical LSD. maybe go drive a veloster turbo / elantra sport?
 
maybe go drive a veloster turbo / elantra sport?
id add the elantra gt sport, the kia forte5 SX, and probably the mazda 3 to those for fun to drive wagons/hatches
maybe an impreza as something a bit more sporty than the legacy?
as much as i love my Krautwagen i understand why many are a bit standoffish of them, but the golf or golf sportwagen might be worth looking at
im planning on picking up a 15 TDi some time this year
 
id add the elantra gt sport, the kia forte5 SX, and probably the mazda 3 to those for fun to drive wagons/hatches
maybe an impreza as something a bit more sporty than the legacy?
as much as i love my Krautwagen i understand why many are a bit standoffish of them, but the golf or golf sportwagen might be worth looking at
im planning on picking up a 15 TDi some time this year

I love our red Jetta SE it’s a perfect grandma car with a little pep.
 
Considered a WRX? You can get a new one for ~26k OTD. They are a blast to drive (6 spd MANual), get decent mileage, hold their value, and are reliable in my experience.
 
Must be a manual, 4 door and haul a car seat. Interesting hearing about the issues with the st's. I have 2 friends that are Ford mechanics that told me they are solid and several of their techs derive them. I really don't want to spend over 20ish. Other than MAYBE exhaust for some sound these will be a fun to drive commuter/ family wagon. No offense Scott but I doubt the tranny failures in your car are entirety the cars fault
 
Considered a WRX? You can get a new one for ~26k OTD. They are a blast to drive (6 spd MANual), get decent mileage, hold their value, and are reliable in my experience.
I have. That was my #1 choice but new is out of my price range and I'm afraid of used ones for the beat on factor. I know that's silly because everything can and will be beat on but I drove a couple mid millage cars and I could tell they had both been driven hard.

My other problem is that Subaru is about the most popular car you can buy in the northwest/Seattle area did their resale is through the roof. For the price of this 50+k mile wrx I can get a pretty much new st or civic si

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/d/2011-subaru-impreza-4d/6445512465.html
 
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Lol 110% just look on a ST forum, theres a reason they discontinued the usdm fiesta st, transmission stays on 2mo+ national back order, on god my ST was one warranty claim after the next on dumb shit too, powerterrain galore and interior is cheappp, ive had to have everything from warped trim panels replaced to seatbets not locking, even had to have the sun visor mirrors replaced because they would fall out going down the road, had 3 transmissions, 2 blend doors, 1 shift cable, 1 trans mount, 2 blend doors, leaky front main replaced, ac compessor, electric power steering control module, sunroof track, both rear seatbelts failed, think thats about it in my 2 year of owning , and they wouldnt put 3 tranmissions in the car if it were my fault dingbat they called a ford warranty rep to inspect after the first one (that grenaded at like 2200 miles at that) ... got 20k to spend go get a nice used lexus
 
I was going to suggest the TDI golf or something of that nature as well.


Orrrrr.....save another $10k and just get a Tesla :D

https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-for-sale/listing/5YJSA1AC0DFP10091/2013-tesla-model-s/

2013 Tesla Model S Sedan
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neighbor is a ford mechanic. likes my VT better than his FoST. i think i've mentioned that once or twice on here as well its been problematic. he says to stay away. :shrug2:
 
I wouldnt buy a used tesla, have you seen the price of the replacement batterys that are going bat at under 75k miles
 
Back to what I said. Civic SI for that sweet transmission that begs to be rowed, but will be in upper RPM's for that long commute at high speed.

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Or rock solid very fun GTI with previously vulnerable german reliability.

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Or something I really like. Honda Accord Sport.
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And @get_nick is onto something if you're looking for serious mileage with a golf tdi. But they're slow. Or a mazda3 wagon with a manual.
 
I wouldnt buy a used tesla, have you seen the price of the replacement batterys that are going bat at under 75k miles

IIRC tesla will replace the battery on some models within an 8 year period as long as there has been no fuckery... otherwise its about 12k. i know 2 tesla owners, one with a 60 and another with an 85 both with over 40k on their cars with a 2% reduction in total range. the OTA updates are doing a fantastic job of reducing overall battery and charge trouble.

there will always be battery troubles until a better solution is made. cramming thousands of tiny little batteries in a pack seems cost ineffective to me, but i'm not any sort of electrical engineer. on the other hand these refurb battery packs can be used in other tesla applications with little to no trouble.
 
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