So... looks like Rove blew CIA agent's cover

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Time Magazine turned over information to federal court about Valerie Plame, the CIA agent that had her cover blown by someone on the inside.

Two different sources finger Karl Rove.

If I miss my guess, should this information show to be true, that means that Bush's top political advisor is guilty of treason. Not only should he be dragged from the white house in handcuffs, he should receive the proper punishment for treason... death.

This administration has no lack of coverups and scandals. Its a house of cards and it's toppling.


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Wow sold out by someone on the inside. That kinda sucks. I wonder what the agent was doing.


Originally posted by Drake@Jul 3 2005, 01:37 PM
Wow sold out by someone on the inside. That kinda sucks. I wonder what the agent was doing.
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Plame was identified as a CIA "operative" in Novak's column, which read in part: "Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate" the allegation.[1]

According to Novak, administration sources claimed that it had been at Plame's suggestion that the CIA sent her husband to Niger in 2002 to investigate the Yellowcake Forgery, documents implying that Iraq had attempted to illegally purchase uranium from that country. This appeared to contradict Wilson's claim that he was sent to Niger at the request of Vice President Cheney. Cheney has denied any knowledge of Wilson's Niger visit.

Wilson charged that his wife's CIA association had been deliberately exposed by the White House in order to destroy her career, in retaliation for his public charge that the Bush administration had lied to the American people about U.S. intelligence concerning weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. In an article in The New York Times on 6 July 2003, Wilson denounced the Bush administration, saying that "some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat."

Wasn't Valerie they were pointing their guns at.. it was her husband.


Just as an addition for the cons who are likely to flood this thread. They're saying that Rove isn't a suspect however he DID talk to reporters days before the outing. I can't see people confirming or denying it, but the two sources stand pointing to Rove as to where they got info.

IMHO, Rove is a cold calculating manipulative fuck. I wouldn't put it past him.


Originally posted by Blanco@Jul 3 2005, 02:12 PM
I curious to see how this is going to be both explained and defended.

I honestly can't believe that.
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It'll all come out. I can honestly believe he did it but he won't go down for it. I do see a couple of people losing their jobs though.

It's been all but said outright that the outing was due to someone on the inside, however nobody said (or knew) who it was.

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I think the American Dad representation of Mr. Rove (insert thunder/lightning) is fairly accurate.


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Originally posted by Battle Pope@Jul 3 2005, 02:42 PM
I think the American Dad representation of Mr. Rove (insert thunder/lightning) is fairly accurate.
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Yeah, They actually blew the cover off of this on the Daily Show about 8 months ago.

-> Steve


i don't think its so much that she was outed, but how many people lost their lives because of the outing...

anyone that had contact with her could now be openly considered a covert operative, and thereby certain people would wish to have them killed, of course...

karl rove should be drawn and quartered along with the rest of the treason-ness white house admininstration...

plame says they manipulated intelligence...
british gov't memo says they were manipulating intelligence...

just how many of these "coincidences" can occur before the american people see whats happening...


Found this article and thought it was worth posting.


The Real Rove Scandal - Robert Scheer

If you can't shoot the messenger, take aim at his wife.

That clearly was the intent of White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove in leaking to a reporter that former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA agent. To try to conceal the fact that the president had lied to the American public about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program, Rove attempted to destroy the credibility of two national security veterans and send an intimidating message to any other government officials preparing to publicly tell the truth.

Rove's lawyer now says that Rove didn't break the law against naming covert agents because he didn't know Plame's name and therefore couldn't have revealed it. Perhaps he can use such a technicality in court, but in the meantime he should resign immediately — or be fired by the president — for leaking classified information, trying to smear Wilson and possibly endangering Plame's life.

"The White House promised if anyone was involved in the Valerie Plame affair, they would no longer be in this administration," said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). "I trust they will follow through on this pledge."

The background on this story is crucial. Ambassador Wilson had been honored as a patriot by President George H.W. Bush for standing up to Saddam Hussein in a face-to-face confrontation in Baghdad on the eve of the Persian Gulf War. But in 2003, Wilson committed an unpardonable crime in the eyes of the second Bush White House. He exposed its lies about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.

In 16 now infamous words in Bush's 2003 State of the Union speech, the president — desperate to gain support for an invasion he was dead set on initiating — tried to scare Americans into believing Iraq was close to making nuclear weapons. "The British government," he told the nation, "has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." But the key documents that the claim was based on had already been proved to be fakes, and other intelligence reports along these lines were extremely speculative.

In fact, it was a CIA-organized mission by Wilson to the African country of Niger (where he had served as ambassador) that determined the reports were false. Wilson was therefore shocked to hear the uranium claims in the president's speech. When he exposed the chicanery in a New York Times commentary, Wilson became a prime target for a White House smear job.

According to e-mails that Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper sent to his editor (which were revealed by Newsweek over the weekend), Rove told Cooper that Wilson's devastating expose should be discounted because the Niger fact-finding trip had been authorized by Wilson's wife, who worked at the CIA.

This was three days before Robert Novak, citing two White House sources, outed Plame as a CIA agent in his column and put forward the same notion: that Wilson's information was suspect because the CIA had hired him on the advice of his wife.

In the end, though, what Rove's leak and Novak's column really exposed was the depravity of the administration's deliberate use of a false WMD threat and its willingness to go after anyone willing to tell the truth about it.

It's ironic that the expertise of this couple should be turned against them by a White House that has demonstrated nothing but incompetence in dealing with the WMD issue. But clearly truth and competence are virtues easily shed by the Bush administration in the pursuit of political advantage, even when this partisan game jeopardizes national security.

This is the most important issue raised by the Plame scandal. It has been unfortunately obscured by the secondary debate in the case: whether reporters should ever reveal their sources. Yet what the emerging Rove scandal demonstrates is the ease with which a wily top White House official can subvert the Bill of Rights' protection of the free press to serve the tawdriest of political ends.