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crnsx1988 · 07-24-2008, 05:37 PM

Looking good.

. I though you got that GS-R swap from Mac24/7. B18C1/ with Y1 tranny = FUN.

Andrew · 07-24-2008, 05:42 PM

I tried, but no dice. =(
He's holding on to that motor like you wouldn't believe.

I offered him more money than what he paid for the entire car, but no.

awptickes · 07-25-2008, 02:39 AM

Andrew:

I'd stay away from DSM injectors. Their spray patterns can be pretty funky for a honda engine (stream spray anyone?), but it all depends on how much you pay for them. When I get home I'll show you where I got my 440cc injectors from. (Can't remember where, but it's bookmarked.) I paid total $130 for 4 of them. RC just cleans, blueprints and rebadges the injectors they sell -- FYI.

If you want I can run the numbers and check if that turbo would be a good fit to your engine and give you an idea of what to expect with it. Although, I'll need flow-charts of the head after all the work, and a dyno graph, otherwise it'll be pretty close to guesswork.

It seems everyone is going the Turbo D route these days. Glad to have you on the wagon again.

efhondakid · 07-25-2008, 02:54 AM

<--would like some $130 440's.

BTW Andrew I got rid of my charcoal canister today, and no CEL and it runs better than before.

( May have had a air leak in one of the hoses.)

awptickes · 07-25-2008, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awptickes

I'd stay away from DSM injectors. Their spray patterns can be pretty funky for a honda engine (stream spray anyone?), but it all depends on how much you pay for them. When I get home I'll show you where I got my 440cc injectors from. (Can't remember where, but it's bookmarked.) I paid total $130 for 4 of them. RC just cleans, blueprints and rebadges the injectors they sell -- FYI.

Did I mention that they were High-Impedance too? You probably have to machine the fuel rail to get the bosch Jetronic tops to fit. I don't know if it's needed because I haven't gotten them yet. It should be pretty straight-forward. I'll write up how I do it as soon as my injectors arrive.

I found the site:
42lb Lucas Disk EV1 High Impedance

Andrew · 07-25-2008, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awptickes

Andrew:
I'd stay away from DSM injectors. Their spray patterns can be pretty funky for a honda engine (stream spray anyone?), but it all depends on how much you pay for them. When I get home I'll show you where I got my 440cc injectors from. (Can't remember where, but it's bookmarked.) I paid total $130 for 4 of them. RC just cleans, blueprints and rebadges the injectors they sell -- FYI.
If you want I can run the numbers and check if that turbo would be a good fit to your engine and give you an idea of what to expect with it. Although, I'll need flow-charts of the head after all the work, and a dyno graph, otherwise it'll be pretty close to guesswork.
It seems everyone is going the Turbo D route these days. Glad to have you on the wagon again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by awptickes

Did I mention that they were High-Impedance too? You probably have to machine the fuel rail to get the bosch Jetronic tops to fit. I don't know if it's needed because I haven't gotten them yet. It should be pretty straight-forward. I'll write up how I do it as soon as my injectors arrive.
I found the site:
42lb Lucas Disk EV1 High Impedance

Don't bother yourself on the turbo #'s. Thanks very much for the offer, but I'll just try whatever I get my hands on and see if and how it works.

I've got a decent understanding of what turbo will do what, averaging of course... I'm only asking for another 50-60whp to make me sit at 180/190whp. I think that'll be TONS of fun, especially with this friggin Si trans.

Thank you very much for that link. That is a great price for those injectors!
I would be getting these DSM 450's for free. A buddy owes me.
SO MANY people use them, so I'm surprised to hear what you've got to say. I was under the impression that they spray fine. But I'm definitely open minded about it!

To my knowledge, all you have to do is grind out/down the thick washer that it rests on the intake manifold on (the largest "spacer") for it to fit. And do something like change the top o rings or something. very simple and straight forward. - Thats actually coming first hand from my friend with a SOHC-T here in town. He told me that Tuesday night, But he was using 1st Gen black tops. so... yeah. dunno if theres any difference.

Its been a while since I've 'dug' into injector research. I need to refresh myself on the differences between High/Low impedence (aren't ALL honda's High impedence?) and Saturated/Peak and Hold. My crx is P & H because I have a resister box. Right?

If nothing else I'll pick up some of those injectors. Seems like your saying they are basically RC's with a different label. and maybe not as 'clean'

awptickes · 07-25-2008, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

1Thank you very much for that link. That is a great price for those injectors!
I would be getting these DSM 450's for free. A buddy owes me.
SO MANY people use them, so I'm surprised to hear what you've got to say. I was under the impression that they spray fine. But I'm definitely open minded about it!

2To my knowledge, all you have to do is grind out/down the thick washer that it rests on the intake manifold on (the largest "spacer") for it to fit. And do something like change the top o rings or something. very simple and straight forward. - Thats actually coming first hand from my friend with a SOHC-T here in town. He told me that Tuesday night, But he was using 1st Gen black tops. so... yeah. dunno if theres any difference.

3Its been a while since I've 'dug' into injector research. I need to refresh myself on the differences between High/Low impedence (aren't ALL honda's High impedence?) and Saturated/Peak and Hold. My crx is P & H because I have a resister box. Right?

4If nothing else I'll pick up some of those injectors. Seems like your saying they are basically RC's with a different label. and maybe not as 'clean'

1 It depends on the year that the DSM injectors came from.

2 It's just a gasket/spacer thing. DSM Injector Install <- this details wha tyou need to do. Alternatively, you could use two honda spacers, and just grind one down to the required thickness on a belt-sander, or slice it in half with a sharp knife.

3 Your current injectors, if you use a resistor box are Peak and Hold, just like your DSM injectors. You'll just change the clips, and you'll be golden. Your honda is Low-Z, as are most hondas prior to 1992. Every OBD2 car is High-Z. About every OBD1 car is High-Z. All OBD0 cars are Low-Z. (this doesn't apply to the wierd cars, like prelude/nsx)

4 Clean? Wha? You mean they didn't ultrasonicly clean the BNIB injectors? Yeha, that's it. heh.

Andrew · 07-25-2008, 08:22 AM

Thanks once again holmes. Thats the perfect write-up for answering my woes.
It's really simple and clear to me now. All I have to do is install them. haha. literally. Since I'm already wired for a resister box, they are just a 'drop-in' deal. Very cool.

Found a referrences for injectors just posting it for... reference.

Fuel Injector Info

**jesuslives** · 07-25-2008, 02:17 PM

you need to get in that stinkn school and leave my village

Andrew · 07-25-2008, 10:23 PM

???
neg rep...

awptickes · 07-26-2008, 04:12 AM

Ditto.

mac_24_seven · 07-28-2008, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesuslives

you need to get in that stinkn school and leave my village

Thats so random it made me giggle

------------

Give us a time frame before your lil D gets a boost erection

Andrew · 07-28-2008, 12:58 PM

>August.

edit: Err.. well... I'll have all my parts this month anyway. I plan on having it spooling in August, but with school starting and my replenished interest in Golf, I might get slowed down a bit financially.

Oh and a small update guys. Remember how I was saying that "something ain't right" b/c it was breaking up in 1st, vtec wasn't engaging, and most recently the #1 cyl wasn't booming? well, it was all because of missing metal injector clips. the plug was barely on the injector. I'm suprised all of them weren't that way. ANYWHO. its good now. Just don't overlook the small stuff! The ol' "air spark and fuel" thinking process and it was instantly apparent.

Andrew · 07-28-2008, 06:49 PM

I made a purchase today...
DSM TD05H turbo with HF mani
HMT DP for TD05 setup
Upper HMT i/c pipe w/ eghey greddy knockoff BOV
for $140 shipped! Sccchhhhwwwing!

Next I'm taking the DSM injectors to a turbo place here in town and having them cleaned. I'm going to try and get a printout too. That'll be kinda neat; see what they are actually flowing.

It's happening!

efhondakid · 07-28-2008, 06:54 PM

Cant wait to see the progress.

mac_24_seven · 07-29-2008, 08:17 AM

Awesome man. Who knows, if you can get this up N running for cheap, I may join in

I've got enough spare parts laying around to sell and get some $$$ for tubbo stuff.

**jesuslives** · 07-29-2008, 04:13 PM

andrew you love me. gimme my rep back, i know everything. even where you got those tires

**jesuslives** · 07-29-2008, 04:13 PM

im down the street from you

Andrew · 07-29-2008, 04:17 PM

lol. random.
Your about to get another neg rep!

Please explain yo self

awptickes · 07-29-2008, 05:52 PM

Any specs on the TD05H?

Andrew · 07-29-2008, 07:09 PM

Eh, not really. I don't know if its a 14b or 16g yet. I'll look at the compressor blades when I get it. (didn't have any pictures.) If its a 14b, I've heard they "top" out at around 15psi. Good for around 220-250hp. Good enough for me! I'm only looking for just under 200. So if I need to, 10-12 psi should take care of that.

Matts96HB · 07-29-2008, 07:47 PM

Nice progress, Andrew.

Just a pointer:
One thing I would recommend is a nice BOV. A buddy of mine has a turbo'd LS-VTEC with a Blitz BOV. Sure its loud, but at low boost levels when you let off the gas, produces mad compressor surge. Definetely get a synchronic. I've seen one on an Eclipse GSX, and my buddy's car now. It was enough to convince me.

Luis998 · 07-30-2008, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

I made a purchase today...
DSM TD05H turbo with HF mani
HMT DP for TD05 setup
Upper HMT i/c pipe w/ eghey greddy knockoff BOV
for $140 shipped! Sccchhhhwwwing!

Next I'm taking the DSM injectors to a turbo place here in town and having them cleaned. I'm going to try and get a printout too. That'll be kinda neat; see what they are actually flowing.

It's happening!

Man, I will fax you a dollar if you post a picture of the HF mani after you mate it with the turbo. I'm at a cross roads with my HF mani and whether or not to use it for my D set up.

Andrew · 07-30-2008, 09:06 AM

Do you really think I wasn't going to post a picture of it? haha!

Matt, thanks for the testimony man. I've always heard that you can use Ebay Wastegates no problem, but I was unsure about BOV's. Since I'm kinda doing a budget thing, I might just get my hands on a DSM and recirculate it = quiet and cheap. Or if i can find a good deal on a synchronic...

awptickes · 07-30-2008, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

I might just get my hands on a DSM and recirculate it = quiet and cheap. Or if i can find a good deal on a synchronic...

Recirculation isn't nessicary (because our hondas use a MAP air mass calculation, not a traditional mass air sensor like DSMs and European cars), but it'll prolong the life of the turbo. Good idea if you ask me. It's what I'm going to do.

Synchronic valves are extremely loud. Go hear one in person before you buy one. If you've throught about a quiet valve, chances are that you don't want something that screams "STEAL ME" at 119dB.

07-24-2008, 05:42 PM	#2027
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	I tried, but no dice. =( He's holding on to that motor like you wouldn't believe. I offered him more money than what he paid for the entire car, but no. __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters.

07-25-2008, 02:39 AM	#2028
awptickes Reverend Awptickes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bel Air, MD Age: 21 Posts: 3,949 iTrader: 6 / 100% Ride: 1999 Civic EJ9, 2009 Fit GE8, 2006 Suzuki SV650s Rep Power: 184	Andrew: I'd stay away from DSM injectors. Their spray patterns can be pretty funky for a honda engine (stream spray anyone?), but it all depends on how much you pay for them. When I get home I'll show you where I got my 440cc injectors from. (Can't remember where, but it's bookmarked.) I paid total $130 for 4 of them. RC just cleans, blueprints and rebadges the injectors they sell -- FYI. If you want I can run the numbers and check if that turbo would be a good fit to your engine and give you an idea of what to expect with it. Although, I'll need flow-charts of the head after all the work, and a dyno graph, otherwise it'll be pretty close to guesswork. It seems everyone is going the Turbo D route these days. Glad to have you on the wagon again. __________________ ☻/ DIY/Howto HID Projector retrofit /▌ / \

07-25-2008, 02:54 AM	#2029
efhondakid My name is Byron. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Akron-Canton, Ohio Age: 20 Posts: 5,421 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 89' DX Hatch w/B16 Rep Power: 221	<--would like some $130 440's. BTW Andrew I got rid of my charcoal canister today, and no CEL and it runs better than before. ( May have had a air leak in one of the hoses.) __________________ ^ (dont listen) Dont PM me with tech questions. I will not answer them. There is a hidden message here. *"Motor swaps, turbo kit installs, diagnostics, minor repairs, minor fab and bodywork. Located in Akron-Canton area PM me for more details."* "In the dice game of life who gets the last roll?"

07-25-2008, 08:22 AM	#2033
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	Thanks once again holmes. Thats the perfect write-up for answering my woes. It's really simple and clear to me now. All I have to do is install them. haha. literally. Since I'm already wired for a resister box, they are just a 'drop-in' deal. Very cool. Found a referrences for injectors just posting it for... reference. Fuel Injector Info __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters. Last edited by Andrew; 07-25-2008 at 08:28 AM.

07-25-2008, 10:23 PM	#2035
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	??? neg rep... __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters.


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07-24-2008, 05:37 PM	#2026
crnsx1988 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 50 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	Looking good. . I though you got that GS-R swap from Mac24/7. B18C1/ with Y1 tranny = FUN.

07-25-2008, 02:17 PM	#2034
jesuslives Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in my garage Age: 28 Posts: 65 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: eg Rep Power: 0	you need to get in that stinkn school and leave my village

07-26-2008, 04:12 AM	#2036
awptickes Reverend Awptickes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bel Air, MD Age: 21 Posts: 3,949 iTrader: 6 / 100% Ride: 1999 Civic EJ9, 2009 Fit GE8, 2006 Suzuki SV650s Rep Power: 184	Ditto. __________________ ☻/ DIY/Howto HID Projector retrofit /▌ / \

07-28-2008, 12:58 PM	#2038
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	>August. edit: Err.. well... I'll have all my parts this month anyway. I plan on having it spooling in August, but with school starting and my replenished interest in Golf, I might get slowed down a bit financially. Oh and a small update guys. Remember how I was saying that "something ain't right" b/c it was breaking up in 1st, vtec wasn't engaging, and most recently the #1 cyl wasn't booming? well, it was all because of missing metal injector clips. the plug was barely on the injector. I'm suprised all of them weren't that way. ANYWHO. its good now. Just don't overlook the small stuff! The ol' "air spark and fuel" thinking process and it was instantly apparent. __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters. Last edited by Andrew; 07-28-2008 at 01:05 PM.

07-28-2008, 06:49 PM	#2039
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	I made a purchase today... DSM TD05H turbo with HF mani HMT DP for TD05 setup Upper HMT i/c pipe w/ eghey greddy knockoff BOV for $140 shipped! Sccchhhhwwwing! Next I'm taking the DSM injectors to a turbo place here in town and having them cleaned. I'm going to try and get a printout too. That'll be kinda neat; see what they are actually flowing. It's happening! __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters.

07-28-2008, 06:54 PM	#2040
efhondakid My name is Byron. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Akron-Canton, Ohio Age: 20 Posts: 5,421 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 89' DX Hatch w/B16 Rep Power: 221	Cant wait to see the progress. __________________ ^ (dont listen) Dont PM me with tech questions. I will not answer them. There is a hidden message here. *"Motor swaps, turbo kit installs, diagnostics, minor repairs, minor fab and bodywork. Located in Akron-Canton area PM me for more details."* "In the dice game of life who gets the last roll?"

07-29-2008, 08:17 AM	#2041
mac_24_seven I trained Trogdor to pWn Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 28 Posts: 520 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 94 GSR Sedan Rep Power: 16	Awesome man. Who knows, if you can get this up N running for cheap, I may join in I've got enough spare parts laying around to sell and get some $$$ for tubbo stuff.

07-29-2008, 04:13 PM	#2042
jesuslives Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in my garage Age: 28 Posts: 65 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: eg Rep Power: 0	andrew you love me. gimme my rep back, i know everything. even where you got those tires

07-29-2008, 04:13 PM	#2043
jesuslives Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in my garage Age: 28 Posts: 65 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: eg Rep Power: 0	im down the street from you

07-29-2008, 04:17 PM	#2044
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	lol. random. Your about to get another neg rep! Please explain yo self __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters.

07-29-2008, 05:52 PM	#2045
awptickes Reverend Awptickes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bel Air, MD Age: 21 Posts: 3,949 iTrader: 6 / 100% Ride: 1999 Civic EJ9, 2009 Fit GE8, 2006 Suzuki SV650s Rep Power: 184	Any specs on the TD05H? __________________ ☻/ DIY/Howto HID Projector retrofit /▌ / \

07-29-2008, 07:09 PM	#2046
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	Eh, not really. I don't know if its a 14b or 16g yet. I'll look at the compressor blades when I get it. (didn't have any pictures.) If its a 14b, I've heard they "top" out at around 15psi. Good for around 220-250hp. Good enough for me! I'm only looking for just under 200. So if I need to, 10-12 psi should take care of that. __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters.

07-29-2008, 07:47 PM	#2047
Matts96HB F.I. Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 19 Posts: 2,658 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1996 Civic, 1992 Accord Rep Power: 101	Nice progress, Andrew. Just a pointer: One thing I would recommend is a nice BOV. A buddy of mine has a turbo'd LS-VTEC with a Blitz BOV. Sure its loud, but at low boost levels when you let off the gas, produces mad compressor surge. Definetely get a synchronic. I've seen one on an Eclipse GSX, and my buddy's car now. It was enough to convince me. __________________ XBOX LIVE GT: teb00stcat (00's are zeroes) -320 WHP EJ6-

07-30-2008, 09:06 AM	#2049
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	Do you really think I wasn't going to post a picture of it? haha! Matt, thanks for the testimony man. I've always heard that you can use Ebay Wastegates no problem, but I was unsure about BOV's. Since I'm kinda doing a budget thing, I might just get my hands on a DSM and recirculate it = quiet and cheap. Or if i can find a good deal on a synchronic... __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters.

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