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99-00 civic Si cluster swap into EF How To (pics0)

Discussion in 'HYBRID -> ED-EF / DA' started by B18C5James, Jan 18, 2004.

  1. B18C5James

    B18C5James Junior Member

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    Well here is a write up on how to install a 99-00 civic Si cluster in your EF. I installed it in my 91 CRX si. All the wiring is done for a 90-91 Crx. The wiring is the same for 90-91 civic hatches. The fitment may be a little different in hatches but should work. I am getting mixed feedback about the wiring for 88-89 models, I am not 100% positive if the wiring is the same but I will have it figured out shortley and will add the 88-89 wiring when finished.

    OK 88-89 wiring is added. The wire colors are the same but the pin placements are different. I added clip pictures and a chart for the 88-89 crx/civics. Another thing you will have to change is the dimmer switch clip for the 90-91 cluster hood. Just swap the 88-89 clip with the 90-91 clip. The wire colors are the same so just match up the wires and it will work

    Here is a list of things needed to comlete the swap.

    Tools:

    10mm socket ( to unbolt speedo)
    philips head screw driver
    wire cutters
    soldering iron
    electrical tape

    Items needed:

    96-00 Civic cluster Si, EX, DX, HX whichever you want to use. I chose the Si because it looks cool.
    Cluster clips that plug into the civic cluster. With some wire attached the more the better
    Any electronic speedo from 92 and up civic or 94 and up integra.
    Clip that plugs ontop of the speedo also with some wire

    The only things needed to be modified to fit the cluster into the dash where the metal tabs inside the cluster bowl. Just unscrew them and there is plenty of room. As far as bolting it down it is in pretty tight and takes some shifting to get the cover over the cluster but when it is in it is tight. I have been driving the car for a few weeks now and it didn't vibrate or shift in any way. If you wanted to screw it in you could drill some holes into the roof of the gauge cover and put screws through it into the tabs on the civic clusterbut it isnt nessacary.

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    Here is the wiring. The blue clips are for the civic and the grey are the crx. You need to wire in the blue clips in place of the grey ones. The red X's mean the wire isnt used. 11 of the 17 wires match up in color and have the same function. Look at the last chart and you will see what I mean.

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    90-91 wiring color chart

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    88-89 wiring color chart

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    VSS installation:

    Pull the cover up over the cable on the VSS then push the retaining clip off of the cable and pull the cable out of the Vss. Then take the 10mm socket and your rachet and unbolt the cable driven Vss from the tranny. I also used 3/8 15" extension and a swivel head to get the 10mm bolt out.

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    Here is the cable driven Vss from my crx (note I have a b16 and your cable Vss may look different.

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    This is a pic of a 99 civic Vss I stole from my sisters car for picture purposes. This Vss will work fine.
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    here is a pic of the VSS I used. The black part is from a 99 integra and the bottom part is from a 92 civic Si. These 2 parts work fine together. I ordered the metal piece from honda for $39 and the black piece used for $35. I stole the gear out of my sisters civic and it works with the teg/civic combo Vss I used. I also ordered new Oring seals for the VSS just to be on the safe side. Those where about $5 total.

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    This is the connector you will need that plugs onto the electronic Vss. I didn't have one So I just plugged wires directly onto the VSS and sealed them up.
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    Next just slip the electronic VSS into the tranny and bolt up with the 10mm bolt. Now here is the wiring, I don't have pics of the prosses but it is easy to understand. There are 3 wires coming out of the VSS plug. Power, signal and ground. The power wire you have to run to a switched power source, pin B4 and A15 on the civic clips will work fine. The ground wire you just have to ground, splice it into an exsisting ground or create a new one either will work. The signal wire has to be split into 2. Run one signal into the back of the cluster in pin A11, The other into Pin B16 on the ECU. You split the signal because both the cluster and Ecu need the Vehicle speed signal.

    Here are some pics of it installed and working. Sorry the night pic didnt come out very well but you get the idea.

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    If you have any questions about this swap just ask I will help out ina ny way possible. Also I dont take any responsibility for any damages that maybe caused by this swap.

    You can also use a CRV cluster instead of the civic one if yo uwould like to. The wiring is the same and the civic clips pop right into the CRV cluster.

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    -James-
     
  2. GSRCRXsi

    GSRCRXsi Super Moderator Moderator VIP

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    very nice write-up. thanks for sharing this with those who may be interested here at hondaswap, i know i am, and im seriously considering this.
     
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    nice

    Should have an adobe (yuk) file or something that can be printer friendly.
     
  4. JDMilan

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    :thumbsup:,, good write up, gracias for the info
     
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    too cool, I like it, and a very nice write-up...
     
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    I'm going to borrow your wiring diagrams for my GSR cluster I have laying in my garage with a FULL dash harness. :p

    Got the GSR cluster for a used Deltagate, $40 value, then sold it for $100, and bought it back for $50. I got the harness for $5 and a simple mechanic's favor, and the VSS for free from a good friend... So I was paid $5 to ge tthis stuff for my car. W00t ;)
     
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    I dont think the wiring is exactly the same. I think the GSR clips are different then the civic ones. But the chart I made that has the wire color and functions on it should help you out. good luck.

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    You could also use the CRV cluster aswell. The wiring is the same and the civic clips work with the CRV cluster.

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    that looks pretty clean
     
  11. B18C5James

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    88-89 wiring haas been added to the first post.

    -James-
     
  12. jamesA

    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    Badass write up man...simply awesome. :thumbsup:



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    That looks like a 99 Si cluster...I don't have that red button to the right, and I can see that Si didn't come with fog lamps, that first button at the bottom left is covered up. :)
     
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    How similar is this to the EF9 cluster install? For the VSS, can a 92-95 electro-speedo plug right into a d-series tranny? Thnx for the info.
     
  14. B18C5James

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    Yes it will. Just follow the electric speedo directions I posted and it will work fine.

    -James-
     
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    Umm I don't know what you are trying ot say since this write up was how to install a 99-00 civic Si cluster in a crx. Also no my car din't come with fog lights. I wish it did :) . Also the red button is for the hazard switch on the 90-91 cluster covers. The 88-89 crx's had it on top of the steering colum.

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    Hmmmm sparking my interests... I may look into this for my DA... thanks for hte general info.... where did you get the wire charts adn shit? AWESOMENESS!
     
  18. B18C5James

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    I made all the charts myself. I just took some pics of the clips and just researched a bit with some wiring diagrams and then tried it out. It wasn't hard at all just had to take my time and be patient.

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    i have a question maybe some of you gurus can help me with.i have a 86 civic hatch and attemting to swap a crv cluster in it.i also have a zc in my car but i know that my year motor and car for that matter does not require a vss(the motor is also known as a 87 integra motor).so can i just run that wire that you said you have to split for the ecu and cluster just straight to the cluster?will it work like that?also you said that you that the three wires that come from the vss one is 12volt switched power the other is ground and the last wire is the signal correct?please help me bring my old skool hatch upto par.
     
  20. dzx69

    dzx69 b16aEFGino

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    Can you help me out?

    First of all man, all i can say is youre awesome!!! Good writeup man!
    :)

    I've been having problems for a month now looking for an EF cluster gauge that would work with my 91 EF Hatch... I had a b16a engine swap so my current speedo gauge (cable type) wont work. My question is, is it better to use the 92-00 gauge or is there like an adapter that can convert the electronic trany speedo gear into a cable type one?

    more power man! :)
     
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