joesbadcrx
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O ki just bought a 90 teg ls with a b18a1.Wouldnt it be a v-tec?Also all the motor needs is cam seals and a clutch.So what can i do to this motor for easy hoursepower?Also i need Fenders for it too anyone can sell me them?
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Originally posted by beerbongskickass@Feb 7 2005, 03:13 AM
If your motor is in good shape and doesn't have too many miles on it defintely get a vtec head. You will eventually want to go LS/Vtec, so you might as well do it first. The LS head flows like complete ass and the cams are worthless. Also getting a shorter geared tranny (b16/GSR) will be a good idea. This will make your car faster and a lot more fun to drive.
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Originally posted by racintweek+Feb 9 2005, 04:42 AM-->beerbongskickass@Feb 7 2005, 03:13 AM
If your motor is in good shape and doesn't have too many miles on it defintely get a vtec head. You will eventually want to go LS/Vtec, so you might as well do it first. The LS head flows like complete ass and the cams are worthless. Also getting a shorter geared tranny (b16/GSR) will be a good idea. This will make your car faster and a lot more fun to drive.
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why dont you just add that to your sig, anytime LS pops up in a post you say the same thing
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Originally posted by beerbongskickass@Feb 9 2005, 06:11 PM
I always post the same thign because it's true...
Oh and what's so funny about sporting a d-series?
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Originally posted by MikeBergy@Feb 9 2005, 10:53 PM
The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of high output ls motors using, you guessed it, ls heads. Just because the vtec head has better flow out of the box than the ls head does, this doesn't mean that a pnp'd ls head can't outperform a pnp'd vtec head. Using the ls head also cuts down on system complexity over the vtec head. I am not saying the ls head or vtec head is the best. I'm just saying that you can put together an ls head that performs as well as a vtec head. and it's usually cheaper.
The fact that you sport a D-series is not funny; it's the fact that you give dumbass answers to questions pertaining to an engine that you don't even have. If you keep saying that ls/vtec is the way to go, then why don't you have one? The d-series engine is so much less of a platform to work with than the b-series; why didn't you get a ls/vtec? That will out perform a d-series engine hands down, won't it? There are 32454334112345 ways to make power, and only one of those ways involves slapping a vtec head on a ls block. If someone asks "I have an LS motor, what to do", stop telling them to get a vtec head. Chances are, they have already ruled that one out due to lack of funds. You need to dig a little deeper than that, or just STFU. Thanks
Mike
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Originally posted by 92civicb18b1@Feb 10 2005, 09:38 AM
If I ever do LSvtec, I'm going to do it after the turbo...but that's just me.
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Originally posted by beerbongskickass+Feb 10 2005, 04:08 AM-->MikeBergy@Feb 9 2005, 10:53 PM
The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of high output ls motors using, you guessed it, ls heads. Just because the vtec head has better flow out of the box than the ls head does, this doesn't mean that a pnp'd ls head can't outperform a pnp'd vtec head. Using the ls head also cuts down on system complexity over the vtec head. I am not saying the ls head or vtec head is the best. I'm just saying that you can put together an ls head that performs as well as a vtec head. and it's usually cheaper.
The fact that you sport a D-series is not funny; it's the fact that you give dumbass answers to questions pertaining to an engine that you don't even have. If you keep saying that ls/vtec is the way to go, then why don't you have one? The d-series engine is so much less of a platform to work with than the b-series; why didn't you get a ls/vtec? That will out perform a d-series engine hands down, won't it? There are 32454334112345 ways to make power, and only one of those ways involves slapping a vtec head on a ls block. If someone asks "I have an LS motor, what to do", stop telling them to get a vtec head. Chances are, they have already ruled that one out due to lack of funds. You need to dig a little deeper than that, or just STFU. Thanks
Mike
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How are my answers dumb? The fact that I don't have an LS motor make no difference at all, I still have some experiance with them. I have watched maybe 5 LS and LS/Vtec turbos dyno with my own eyes, they were all friends of mine (going to the dyno saturday actually). I have rode in LS and LS/Vtec's with and without a turbos. I have seen quite a few dyno charts and videos of both setups online as well. It's enough experiance to know that LS/Vtec > LS. You will probably get a good 50whp gain going from an LS turbo to LS/Vtec turbo, it's easy horsepower. Honda motors make all their power at high rpms, so the higher you rev the better. The powerband on LS/Vtec's are much better, the LS power starts droping off around 5500 rpms, but the vtec heads power keeps climbing.
All the big boys run vtec heads. There are very few high horsepower cars using LS heads over vtec heads. The vtec heads are great in stock form right from the factory, no need to build them for most of us. Just getting some cams and a basic PnP for your LS isn't anything special, and even with that, it won't outperform a stock B16/GSR head. To get an LS head built right and flowing good, it's going to cost a lot of money, it will be cheaper just to go with an LS/Vtec. Also what is so complex about a vtec head? It's great technology, you get better idle and part throttle driving with the smaller lobes, and better performance with the bigger lobes, all in one set of cams. That is perfect for a daily driver and more fun since you get to rev higher.
I have 3 friends that went LS turbo in the last year or two, and they were all on budgets. All of them did custom turbo kits, but guess what? One of them already went LS/Vtec turbo, and the other two are planning on going LS/Vtec turbo. That's why I always say if you have an LS motor, get a vtec head from the start because you will probably want to eventually anyways. They all have said they would prefer a shorter geared tranny as well.
Honestly I don't care what anybody goes with, it's their car. I am just letting them know what I have learned/seen since I got into hondas. I'm not saying LS/Vtec is the only way to go, your taking what I say the wrong way. I know there are other ways to make power, but going LS/Vtec would be a great investment in the long run especially if your going turbo (good bang for the buck). You b-series guys have more options than me. I really don't have too many options being d-series. If I could just swap in a shorter geared tranny and a better flowing head I would do it. Oh and why I went with a d-series is off topic, but basically it's cheaper and the engine was already in my car (I can explain in more detail if you like).
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