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Discussion in 'Engine Building' started by slapi01, Jun 19, 2004.

  1. slapi01

    slapi01 Junior Member

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    planning to build the bottom end on my gsr. having it sleeved and bored to 85mm. sending out crank to have polished. the question is about bearings. can i go with the casting #'s on the block for main bearing colors or is this something a shop should do. i think i can do this kind of project. any thoughts or help would be great.
     
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  3. slapi01

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    you don't know how much that helps thanks! has anyone heard of having to drill the gallies on the crank and tapping with different fittings on an allmotor. is this to lube better at high rpm's. hey sol, as far as the bearings go for the rods any precautions. is plastigage needed for any bearings or is it not needed. the place i'm sending the block to is checking the main caps for correct specs. and cleaning it up if needed
     
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    i recommend ACL's

    they are a one-size fits all thing, vs honda's different sizes.
     
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    definately plastigage everything. There is no such thing as one size fits all bearing. ACLs are the equivalent of a honda green. Get a helms and that will show you exactly how to read the code from the crank and block, and tell you what bearings to get. Or use a set of your old bearings and use that set to plastigage and order the right size bearing to get the proper clearance.



    Here is a chart of Honda B series bearing thickness by color. To calculate actual bearing clearance, use the following formula:
    BC = IDBT - ODC - (2 x BT)
    BC = bearing clearance
    IDBT = inside diameter of bearing tunnel (housing bore)
    ODC = outside diameter of crank journal
    BT = bearing thickness
    Main Bearing thickness by color
    Blue 2.013-2.010 mm 0.0793â€- 0.0791â€
    Black 2.010-2.007 mm 0.0791â€- 0.0790â€
    Brown 2.007-2.004 mm 0.0790â€- 0.0789â€
    Green 2.004-2.001 mm 0.0789â€- 0.0788â€
    Yellow 2.001-1.998 mm 0.0788â€- 0.0787â€
    Pink 1.998-1.995 mm 0.0787â€- 0.0785â€
    Red 1.995-1.992 mm 0.0785â€- 0.0783â€
    Rod bearing thickness by color
    Blue 1.510-1.507 mm 0.0594â€- 0.0593â€
    Black 1.507-1.504 mm 0.0593â€- 0.0592â€
    Brown 1.504-1.501 mm 0.0592â€- 0.0591â€
    Green 1.501-1.498 mm 0.0591â€- 0.0590â€
    Yellow 1.498-1.495 mm 0.0590â€- 0.0589â€
    Pink 1.495-1.492 mm 0.0589â€- 0.0587â€
    Red 1.492-1.489 mm 0.0587â€- 0.0586â€
    Although most people do not have inside micrometers, bearing micrometers or snap gauges, you can still use this chart when using plastigage to check bearing clearance. If you want to increase or decrease a bearing clearance, you can calculate how much of a color change is necessary by looking at the changes on the chart. Remember you can mix colors for even a more fine-tuning but it would not be wise to jump more than one color. In other words, do not mix a brown and yellow bearing together to equal a green clearance value. Just use the greens together. It is ok to mix a green with a yellow or a green with a brown. When doing your rebuild and replacing bearings with like colors, you still must check your results with plastigage to be sure. Don’t assume anything. Also remember, when swapping to aftermarket rods, throw the color codes away as they will not work anymore. You need to start from scratch to obtain your desired clearance. On the other hand, you really cannot measure accurately to the nearest .0001†without machinist quality tools, so don’t get carried away on that last one ten thousandth of an inch variance.
     
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    thanks for all the info guys. when i get the block back i will deceide if i will take this on myself or have a shop do it. little worried about messing up a new block. this is really good info though. ;)
     
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