ya thats about the shape mine are in, only a couple small curb marks though. i use mothers on them daily, but havnt painted the inside black. my dipshit friend used some super uber chemical on them and the clear coat is shot...around here 250 is a good deal even if they are in ruff shape. i plan on keeping these rims as long as possible and was thinking along the lines of a shop that fixed the rim itself. lemme know.