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History repeats itself?

Discussion in 'Members' Lounge' started by reckedracing, Dec 30, 2005.

  1. reckedracing

    reckedracing TTIWWOP VIP

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    so are the "private contractors" used by the CIA for interigation considered mercinaries?
     
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    pissedoffsol RETIRED

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    naw, Jason Bourne is retired






    in all seriousness, the saying is true.

    "those who don't know the past are doomed to repeat it."
     
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    reckedracing TTIWWOP VIP

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    bahahahahhaha

    castro called the bush reich a gang of shit eaters????
    lmao, i wonder if this quote is accurate and word for word...
     
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    Celerity Well-Known Member

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    If the English, during the revolutionary war, had intended and succeeded in setting up progressive schools, ridding the American lands of intolerance, female abuse and human rights violations, as well as setting up efficient utilities and clean drinking water -


    Then they would have won.


    Once again I will post up articles from the mainstream media that you should read that I hope, fruitlessly, will open your eyes:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,73...63870_1,00.html
    http://www.jnewswire.com/library/article.php?articleid=927
    http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050912-122024-9420r.htm

    That link is a payservice, this is the first 300 words excerpted:

    So to anyone that wishes to compare Iraqi occupation with American Revolution I want you to know the following truths:

    The British supported us so that we could make them money in the international marketplace. They did not allow us to settle for the purposes of thriving and becoming world players.
    The British were oppressive, Not quite as, but almost as they are now. We seperated from them, they didn't invade us.
    Freedoms were denied under British rule - the Revolution fought for freedom.

    In Iraq the US forces are there as a coalition of over 20 other countries. This is NOT US vs THEM.
    We invaded in a response of a regime that caused (as others in this same area cause) conditions of blight and oppression.
    We are improving their lives, love us or don't, we are giving them power, food, clean water and better schools than Saddam EVER did.

    So take this kind of anti-american bullshit and blow it out your ass. This type of sentiment isn't anti-bush - it's anti american and I will defend it foaming mouth, grinding teeth and bourne claw.

    -> Steve
     
  5. reckedracing

    reckedracing TTIWWOP VIP

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    first off to the clash of cultures theory...

    this seems to be saying that all muslims are either murders, or support theirs brothers who are murders...
    this is absurd...
    a SMALL population is fundamentalist, but this population is growing now that their country is being occupied and the citizens being trampled...


    i would call the US occupation at least, IF NOT MORE SO, oppressive, as compared to the British vs american issue

    over 20 countries?
    ok, what are THEIR military numbers compared to ours? how many countries are withdrawing their militaries? increasingly so now that the truth about the run up to the war is starting to come out?
    whats their financial support for this occupation compared to the support coming directly from US taxpayers?
    and why didn't bush wait for the OK from the UN if this is indeed not an US vs THEM issue??

    oh we are?
    lets see some sources for this...
    last time i checked they had more clean water and electricity while under saddam's rule, but what can you expect when you completely bomb out the countries infrastructure and then discover you don't really have the funds to rebuild a complete fucking country while supporting your own country at the same time...
    i would also like to point out that before the war the main cause of death in iraq was old age...
    now the leading cause of death in iraq is a violent death, not natural causes...
    its also important to note that malnutrition in children in iraq has doubled since saddam was removed from power...
    so how has the Bush led invasion "helped" these people so greatly?
    and why do they want us to get the fuck out of their country so bad if we are indeed doing such great things?

    uh... i don't see how this is anti american...
    last time i checked the american people DIDN'T have a fucking say whether we went to war or not...
    Bush seemed to be completely oblivious to the anti war movement, apparently because he was too busy beating the war drums like the buffoon that he is...
     
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    WE beat those war drums ! Goddamit kid wake up and smell the coffee !

    Our America was more oppressive than the British vision for America ?

    Oh holy shit son. I'm out.
     
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    reckedracing TTIWWOP VIP

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    who's we???
    you mean the mindless masses aka americans?

    and don't you think that perhaps those mindless masses got the wrong idea from Bush?

    perhaps something from his state of the union address will refresh your memory?

    perhaps bush lying to the american public by saying iraq posed a real and present threat to the united states is what got the US population up in arms? at least the population that didn't see straight through the bullshit...
     
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    I'm sorry, you must mean Joe Wilson, America's number 1 Bush hater and Provider of such Uranium from Africa reports.

    I'm talking about the first rush into Afghanistan too - We called upon him to use his power and military strength (That is his) to completely eradicate Terrorism in all it's forms, by the roots.

    And now we have cooled off about the whole thing and want our money back.

    Buyers remorse? You bet. Listen, we've ALL been down this road before, and we know that most americans hate Bush and blah blah

    But the original postings of this thread - To compare today to the Revolutionary war - is utter and complete shit. And I am here to fight THAT.
     
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    reckedracing TTIWWOP VIP

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    the rush into afganistan was completely authorized, and i have yet to see exponential death tolls coming from that country...

    i also have yet to see anyone anywhere state that we should not have invaded afghanistan, or that that was the wrong war at the wrong time...

    i also have yet to see the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks being captured or even tracked anymore for that matter...
    bin laden has apparently fallen off the radar screen of the white house these days...

    ah, but he only wants to eradicate those regimes that don't play well with US foreign policy...
    and once again... saddam had WHAT connections to terrorists exactly???

    i for one would still like to see the person responsible for the 9/11 attacks captured, but the US has gone WAY off course with that one...

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    ok, perhaps we can agree that the americans wanted their freedom and apparently the iraqis would like to have their freedom as well, but are being oppressed by the american military occupying force...
     
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    Hey Khan, is that what you do ?
     
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    Celerity Well-Known Member

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    There are 54 other countries out there deciding their own fate. The only difference was, they didn't decide as part of their fate that they were going to amass weapons and strike out at US Civilian targets.

    That is why we are there. We are not there because we don't like the faces in government (Like Clinton in Mogadishu / Bosnia)(Or Kennedy in Cuba / Russia) We are there because it's a regime that bred jihadist training camps and jihadists.
     
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    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    And since we've been there... what precisely has changed about this?
     
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    They are on the run.

    Also, to make myself clear,"they were going to amass weapons and strike out at US Civilian targets." I mean threaten to .
     
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    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Last time I checked, Iraq had no ties to Al-Q (even our govt admits this). Now that we're toting guns on their property, you can't throw a rock and not hit one (no pun intended).

    They had no WMDs. They had no ties to Al-Q. Several reports have shown this. It wasn't until we got there that all hell broke loose and they got involved. An enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Oh, and what is this I heard about the oil minister being booted and (gasp) Chalibi taking control of it? We all know how slimy Challie is. Suprise-o-Meter reading: Zero.

    But that's another thread.
     
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