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Need help on rebuilding

Discussion in 'Engine Building' started by tphan4, Jun 30, 2004.

  1. tphan4

    tphan4 Senior Member

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    My brother has a 1995 civic vx
    1999 GSR B18C1
    itr transmission
    itr header
    aem cai
    55 shot zex w/purge kit
    13.9(Full interior/on street tires)

    well the motor finally gave in last week, and we think the pistons blew

    so now we want to build an all motor setup with no juice
    our goals is to reach low 13's all motor
    so the help we need is what setup can we use that will reach our goals?
     
  2. integraslut78

    integraslut78 Stylus DJ Extraordinaire

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    What do you mean by what setup? Are you asking for ideas? IF you are I have a few. Port/polish, 3 angle valve job, hi compression pistons, cams, cam gears, wider throttle body, new intake manifold, and vafc or tuning device should at least get you started.
     
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    tphan4 Senior Member

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    yea were looking for ideas....If you could be more specific on parts thatd be good - thanks
     
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    97CTR Senior Member

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    so the pistons "blew" huh. Sounds like the motor needs to be torn down to see what is actually wrong with it, and if its salvagable.


    And no offense but no one is going to give you a parts list of things to buy, that is why you research and build your engine the way you want it.
     
  5. brian11to1

    brian11to1 Senior Member

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    Need something with at least 12:1 Compression... Im just guessing cause I dont know

    Forged Internals - Pistons/Rods
    Higher Reving Valve Train - Cams/Springs/Retainers
    Better Flowing IM - Skunk2 perhaps
    EMS system - AEM/Hondata
    2.5" Exhuast
    Header

    the list goes on...
     
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    if you dont want to help....please dont post....and i didnt know looking for ideas and asking to see what parts people were more succesful with was worth your post of telling me I need to do research. Im glad that post which did no help and wasnt necessary made you have one more post towards being a import swap god on hondaswap but please dont waste my time
     
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    the name of the game is power to weight, traction, and suspension setup.


    I hit 13.3 NA with a stock SiR2 b16 stock longblock, but my DX EG was gutted and I had slicks.

    I would suggest first and foremost opening up your motor and see what actually went, probably the issue is either a melted piston or a ring or two went.

    Either way, I would get the bottom end resleeved so that you'll be able to run more displacement and thus gain more tq and a tad bit more hp figures over your current setup.

    Bottomend I would go with "personally":
    Resleeved to either 84mm-84.5mm, and there are tons of types of sleeves out there
    Crower rods/Eagle rods/Cunningham
    IB pistons/Weisco pistons (getting anywhere depending if it's a daily driver, and what type of octaine is available but I would run 12.0:1 CR)
    New ARP rod bolts, new OEM seals, gaskets, etc...

    Head: Well this could be endless but now is the time to upgrade since your motor will be apart.
    Budget wise I like ITR cams, good midrange, cheap, and OEM
    Skunk2 makes pretty good cams also, check out my cam reference section on top of either this page or the engine building page.
    ITR/Skunk2 IM, and a TB in the 64mm-68mm range.]

    Tranny: well since you have the ITR tranny already then if you don't have the optimal final drive then I would upgrade that also, a good clutch and flywheel setup would be bought right about now.

    Engine Management:
    I have always personally run the oe units, but if I was to build an good NA setup I would go with a hondata unit.

    Good tires, on light, small diamater, wide rims would be good for both draggin and street use.

    Suspension, well there is tons of shit out there but I always seem to hear good things in the simple stuff, such as a poly motor mount inserts, you can either buy them or make them youself.

    good luck.
     
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    brian11to1 Senior Member

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    I for some reason always overlook the suspension/tires part of 1/4's times.
     
  9. JDMilan

    JDMilan Senior Member

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    ^^^ a lot of people do, I think the rule of thumb is that for every 1lb taken off a rim that converts to power to the ground is equivalent to 50lbs inside the car, not sure but I have heard that numberous times (or a figure close to that)

    Personally, I know that when I switched from 15"GSR blade rims with ok tires to Kosei's in 15's with ok tires, I noticed the difference, almost night and day. Light 15/14 inch rims are the way to go for street use.

    If you think about it, 1320 racing depends A LOT on 60ft times, and good 60ft's are from Traction, Power, and Suspension.
     
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    tphan4 Senior Member

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    thanks jdmmilan your help is much appreciated...so what Im getting is that we need to reduce weight on the car and lower tire pressure.....on street nights here we are not allowed to use slicks, so is there ne way of getting around using slicks?
     
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    importjdmcivic Its the NUGE!

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    Use super sticker street tires....Azenis or something...
     
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    Yes!!!!!!!! a much better post than mine. Just aggravated with a build. And for sure, you can make all the power you want. But if you can't get it to the ground it doesn't make a difference. And ofcourse if you rebuild.... all new bearings, gaskets etc.

    Check honda-tech.com for some deals, or inlinefour.com has some good oem kits. You may find some better ones..........
     
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