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Discussion in 'ECU's, Electronics, and Tuning' started by dok, Feb 17, 2004.

  1. dok

    dok Senior Member

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    I have heard that these ecu p28 can be chipped very easy to run almost any thing my ? is were can i get the chipps and which are the best for a gsr and what do they cost
     
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    i know some one know give me a hand
     
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    chipped ecu's suck. use the ecu that was intended to be used with your motor.
     
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    213 WHP from 4 dyno pulls, a wideband and a chipped ECU using Uberdata on a stock D16Z6 pushing 10psi. http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/forum/ind...ay;threadid=151

    NHRA Sport Compact Nationals, Englishtown, N.J. Dyno Challenge - Mark Pozzobon uses Crome + a stock ECU to win the naturally aspirated bracket.
    http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2003/dyno/results.html

    So what was it you were saying again? That you need to shut your mouth before making sweeping generalizations?

    Civicious, please shut the fuck up.
     
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    the fuck?




    http://www.hondaswap.com/~pills/chet_ecu.html

    and read that...it's pills' write up on why chipped ecu's suck.

    so....shut the fuck up cocksucker.
     
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    pills_PMD Super Moderator

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    i think you are misusing my information...

    that is meant to turn people away from a generic program written by "jun" "mugen" etc...

    i support the self tuning of ECU's. you can extract more power with a properly written fuel map etc.

    if you read on my site.. you'll see my gains that I got by tuning my hondata system.. although i'm still just a beginner at that.. i've done a few cars and extracted more hp.. but most importantly got a nice smooth a:f ratio.. so i know it doesnt go wayyyy lean or to rich etc...

    if i had known about the self-tuning things provided by pgmfi.org i wouldn't have spent all the money i did on the hondata... but hey.. it happens... we are all ignorant at some point and i was just convinced that hondata was just the cool thing to have.. so my del sol needed it...

    anyways... i dont want to have that little thing taken out of context... it's meant to hate on generic chips
     
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    dok originally asked where he could "get the chips." I pointed him towards (arguably) the best place to learn how to tune your car, DIY style. I think you lose this argument when even the source you cite agrees that a well tuned stock ECU is no joke, and says that he would have looked at DIY tools instead of hondata if he knew about them.

    I acknowledge that telling you to STFU was rude. I guess after putting in (literally) hundreds if not thousands of hours of work on making DIY tuning solutions accessible and available to all, I took it a little personally. For my rudeness, I apologize.

    I hope that one day you chip your own ECU and tune your car properly too so you can see that chipped ECUs only suck as badly as the person chipping them.
    Thankyou,

    -Dave
     
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    i guess i need to clear up what "chipped" means... huh??
     
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    feel free to link to the new + improved PGMFI wiki if it would help you out Pills. http://wiki.pgmfi.org
     
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    he said 'i heard a p28 can be chipped very easily......where can i get the chips'...which if he just ordered a chip and put it in, it'd be more than likely a generic 'spoon/mugen/skunk2' program, and running a hondata (or something of the like) and tuning it wouldnt be something i'd describe as 'very easy'....

    i assumed he was talking about buying an ebay chip and just soldering it in, which as pills' article shows, sucks.



    what are we disagreeing on here?
     
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    and 'chipped' means 'buying a generic chip and putting it on your ecu'...

    actually getting your ecu reprogrammed by IL4, Skunk2, etc. is 'getting your ecu reprogrammed'...

    and using something like hondata and tuning it is...uh...not chipping...


    right?
     
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    not really.. because with a hondata system all you do is "chip" the ECU or "socket" it... to accept the same type of chip as the generic ones (mug4en and jun and skunk etc) the only addition is the interface box.

    when people have their ECU modified... all they are doing is soldering in a few resistors maybe a capacitor or two and a socket for a ROM and a 74hcn something or other smaller chip...
     
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    skunk2 ECUs are garbage. I've seen real-deals. The *might* be decent for a specially built motor, but not for what they get used on. They're a ripoff/minor modification of the Mugen race platform.

    The only difference between an ebay chip and a "Skunk2" ECU is how badly you get ripped off.

    Note: things may have changed since the last time I saw a Skunk2 ECU, so if you have one and can post a dyno with decent (instead of pig-rich) AFRs, I'll retract my statement.
     
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