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Whats the disks difference??

Discussion in 'Wheels / Suspension / Tires / Brakes' started by hondamidnighter, Mar 16, 2004.

  1. hondamidnighter

    hondamidnighter Senior Member

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    Sooner or later Im going to get a vtec swap in my car..so i was thinking about upgrading my brake system. So I was watching the drilled and slotted disks from several companys and they offer vtec disks and non-vtec disks for del sol. Whats the difference between these two kinds of brake disk?? Does the suspension change on a honda del sol si??? Because my del sol is a S. Thanks for any info :worthy:
     
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    highperboi Senior Member

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    i think the vtec del sols have bigger brakes kind of like the civic EX and SI.
     
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    asmallsol Super Moderator

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    You are not upgrading if your going with cross drilled and slotted rotors. Look at old posts. Me and Esol_SI have gone over this 209482482 times. Your decreasing your stoping power by pad contact area.


    And just for refrence, when they say VTEC sol, VTEC was a model of the del Sol that came with a b16a3. The SI also came with VTEC, but since it was still slow they called it a SI. Makes finding stuff confusing but you get used to it after a while.


    The VTEC had bigger brakes aswell as ABS.
    SI's had the same front brakes as the S model, however had rear discs
    The S had the SI's front brakes and drum rears.


    As for suspension diffrences, the higher the model, the thicker the roll bars. On the VTEC, it had a rear sway bar and a front strut bar (same strut bar as the GSRs)
     
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    hondamidnighter Senior Member

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    But what if i buy a drum to disk kit?? There is no kit for del sol although there is for the civic ex??? Does the kit fit and if it does what do I still need to complete the conversion??
     
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    xj0hnx I wanna be sedated VIP

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    You don't need a "kit" for drum to disc. Just find either some rear disc trailing arms, and swap out your whole rear suspension, or find the rear disc spindles, and swap out just that, they will mount right into your trailing arms. Four Torx bolts, and one spindle nut perside, and the ebrake, brakelines, and dust shields.

    You will need some Del Sol disc ebrake cables ( I have some in the basement :) )

    And you will need the rear disc brakelines.
     
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    to add to that, you're going to want to upgrade your portioning valve if its not a 4040 already.
     
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    BlackFrog Neighborhood Lush

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    you guys are getting WAAAY over his head :D
     
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    my del slo vtec did not come with ABS :D but yes, the brakes are slightly bigger than the other models... pads are actually kind of a pain to find. :(
     
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    oh yea, I belive it was an option on the first few years, because the one that I test drove also did not have ABS
     
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    why do you say that, E? ABS would have helped me out a lot when I was 17. ;)
     
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    E_SolSi Member of the 20 nut club Moderator VIP

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    ABS is generally FARRRRRRR too intrusive (ie: it kicks in wayyyyyy too fucking early)

    its kinda like having traction control instead of learning to launch properly... instead a computer senses tire slip (brake lock on ABS) and pulls power away to keep the wheels from spinning (rapidly locks and unlocks the brakes for ABS to keep the tires from skidding and the car from sliding).... one is the correct method and is a hell of a lot more effective and produces FAR better results, the other is the brainless way to make up for retards that dont know/use proper driving technique

    proper braking ("threshold braking") is a MUCH better technique than mashing on the brakes and letting the ABS do the work for you

    for those that dont know what that is:



    although even in snow / slick conditions i STILL prefer not having ABS
    the Insight has ABS and i fucking hate it
     
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    A bit OT but....

    I find that Honda's ABS system is pretty good IMO. Especially at bumpy tracks like Sebring where it is very easy to lock up a wheel, the ABS is a saving grace, modulationg the particular wheel that needs it while allowing the others to remain at or near 100% braking. A would agree, it is good to learn proper threshhold braking, but in many situations ABS is faster then non abs for one reason: you can stand on the brakes and worry about turning in, not worrying about finding that knife edge under braking. This is especially true in the wet. The Turner Motorsports BMWs are a prime example, they were banned from using ABS in Speed World Challenge because there was an unfair speed advantage over the other cars that didn't have it.

    For a daily driver, i can not think of a good reason to remove the ABS IMO, unless it is malfunctioning or you want the weight savings.....*shrug*
     
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    I'm with E. I hate abs probably more than I hate air bags. 2 of the most worthless fucking things ever made law by morons in suv's who make laws and can't fucking drive
     
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    Agreed that it is retarded to be made law, but I don't think useless, especially for ham-fisted SUV drivers. Too many lawyers I suppose..... :D
     
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