They are fucking SPRINTING for the endzone.
Which is weird to do after taking two years off. I think everyone involved, writers, actors, directors, are all just ready to move on to something new.
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They are fucking SPRINTING for the endzone.
it was a great episode! wife was crying about it, lol.... guess we'll see what happens next!
Which is weird to do after taking two years off. I think everyone involved, writers, actors, directors, are all just ready to move on to something new.
When i watched the episode i 100% agreed with you. And still do to some extent.Bleh. Awesome lady character got turned into "just another crazy woman." Bad story move.
There's a half dozen ways to make that less frustrating, and instead they were just like "well, Jon rejected her, and she thinks she needs to rule with fear". Such a cop out.
Bleh. Awesome lady character got turned into "just another crazy woman." Bad story move.
I agree that this whole heel turn was a bit under-cooked, but it was more than just that, and they have foreshadowed it throughout the season. As soon as they got to Winterfell, Dany realized that Sansa was never going to accept her, so that immediately added a lot of tension. Then she got the news that she is not the true heir to the throne. That got put on hold for a minute due to the battle against the white walkers but afterwards, she realized that the people love Jon and not her, and that she'd be done for if the news that Jon is the true heir gets out (hence why she desperately begged him to keep it secret).
But of course, he promptly betrays her. In his mind, it likely wasn't a betrayal since he's loyal to his family and he did not promise her that she wouldn't tell them, but still, it's basically a betrayal. Sansa has zero loyalty to her, so of course she promptly told Tyrion, who told Varys, who quickly began working against her. It was a bit unclear, but it looks like he was actively trying to poison her via that girl that worked in the kitchen and it looks like he was sending messages out about Jon's heritage (not sure to who, might find out in the finale).
Also, she feels that she can't trust Tyrion anymore. All of his advice to her as of late has been bad and seemingly coming from a place of giving his family the benefit of the doubt (even after all the shit Cersei has done to him). He also convinced her to trust Jaime, who then turned around and tried to go back to Cersei. Tyrion then full-on betrayed her also by releasing Jaime and trying to arrange for Jaime and Cersei to escape. Whether Dany knows about that, I'm not sure. Guessing we'll find out in the finale.
Also, she's lost her most trusted advisors, the ones that she felt were truly "her people" that were loyal to her (Jorah and Missandei) and she lost two of her dragon children. That, combined with getting no love from the northerners AND getting the cold shoulder from Jon ever since finding out the truth about him is a lot.
Like I said, still under-cooked and I agree that it needed more episodes to build this out better, but I don't think that it was just out of nowhere. She wanted revenge for the dragons and for Missandei, and she also wanted to send a clear message to both King's Landing AND to the northerners and anyone else who might think about betraying her, that anything but allegiance will result in a fiery death. It was a mistake for sure. She could have endeared herself to Westeros by accepting the surrender but she let her emotions get the best of her.
EDIT: Also, I've found this season disappointing (like a lot of people), so I went ahead and read the leaked ending. I won't spoil it for anyone, but I found it to be mostly predictable with a few twists, and it will probably be disappointing for most viewers. I wouldn't say that it's terrible. It seems consistent with the rest of this season...actually, consistent with the past three seasons (which are all the post-books seasons).
As for the books, Dany's still in Meereen feeding and bathing the sick and dying outside her gates right now....She's ruthless, but she's not heartless. That's again, why this feels like such a shock. She's ruthless to her enemies, but selfless to the innocent.
You sound like you're rationalizing abuseThis was explained in the finale last night. It wasn't that she lost her shit and became a "mad, murdering tyrant", the plot evolved to the point where should couldn't tell the difference between true enemies and threats and the innocent. The black and white areas of enemies and innocent turned gray and she mistakenly destroyed them all.
While it wasn't the ending that most wanted, it was the ending that everyone should have expected.
You sound like you're rationalizing abuse
The ending doesn't take away from it being a great show. It took it from being an 8.5-9.0/10 to a 7.5-8.0 (for me). Dexter ended terribly, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Season 3 of Dexter was one of the greatest seasons of television in history. Breaking Bad had an ending that elevated it from 8.5 to a 9.5 if not 10/10.
In the end, there's always a need to have a good level of "payoff" at the end of anything you're invested in. We all know that.
I've probably written about 10 different replies to this post now. I'm just gonna say I do agree with you, and that there are plenty of scenes to go back and watch and get that nice little nostalgia trip.
One thing I keep coming back to is how AWESOME the first "dracarys" scene is with the unsullied. It's great because she's like "not only have I been smiling as you call me a slut, I'm going to have my dragon's kill you by speaking the same language". Every time they used it after that it just felt cheap.
There were plenty more awesome scenes like that strewn throughout the show that will probably make me think of it fondly, and I still go back and watch them on youtube.
"not today", "high born girls say my lady", "im gonna eat every fucking chicken", "tell cersi it was me", "head crushed like a watermelon", "i choose violence", "the tower of joy", "Brianne and Arya training", "sept of baelor"...and all of those rank above the red wedding for me, the show did create some really awesome memories.