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RFHOMI2U · 10-16-2003, 07:45 PM

Ok, I just bought an entire LS swap. ECU, axles, wiring harness, mounts, tranny, entire thing. It's sitting in my garage. A friend is hooking me up with a B16 head. I was thinking of LS/VTEC, but have heard many bad things. But, I might as well anyways considering the deal on the head I am getting. I was also thinking of the possiblility of LS/Turbo because of how much boost I have heard they are capable of holding. So what's a better idea? LS/VTEC or LS/Turbo? It's definitely not staying stock. Or should I do LS/VTEC and save for turbo?? Either way, forged pistons and rods will be going in, and the possibility of pinning the block as well. Just looking for sugesstions. Thanks! - Ryan

oh yea.... what was it that the LS rods were bad after? I heard they absolutely can not spin past 7,000 rpm's. Is it 7,000? or 7,500?? I could deal with a 7500 rpm limit if VTEC kicked in at around 5,500.

87B16CRX · 10-16-2003, 07:48 PM

Personally I would do LS/Turbo because to me Turbo on VTEC Cars is a waste. Your powerband is Horrible because is for economy so what u are doin is trying to force air into half open valves but then once vtec kick in it just JUMPS because the valves are finally open...So if u dont have vtec u dont have half open valves so u have a better power band

SleEPeR_CRX · 10-16-2003, 08:59 PM

ok 87b16crx, u have a few things wrong, ANY car with turbo ownz gas, they have a WAY better powerband than ANY non-vtec car, the only problem is they are alot more expensive. now RFH, to get back to u. if u wanna stay N/A to say u can kill mustangs and all that shit and ur engine is n/a go nuts, make sure u get b16a rods and pistions or better, such as the JE ones u said. the LS rods cant spin past 7500, but trust me once u get vtec, u will wanta 8500+ redline. i still suggest going LS/T, with the $$ needed to make an LS/T run low 12's, it will take about the same $$ to make a LS/Vtec run low 13's high 12's. the LS will safely hold roughly 9 psi. which is alot for a stock engine, and will easily get it into the low 13's with good slicks and driving.either way u look at it, u will need to get a good racing clutch *cough* ACT Extreme*cough* and either a Vafc or Safc. id pick the LS/T 9 times outa 10, but if u are crazy about N/A like alot of people are. go LS/Vtec just make sure its DONE RIGHT, or u will have a ticking time bomb.

get_nick · 10-16-2003, 11:16 PM

ls turbo is the way to go. when you are boosting a lot you wont even feel the vtec.

RFHOMI2U · 10-17-2003, 11:37 AM

ok, i think LS/Turbo has won me over. Now what is recommended for that setup? I should definitely do forged pistons/rods, but whatelse? I have heard about block guards and such, but I hear they are bad, and some people tell me they are good? I don't get it. I was looking into a Greddy kit with a possible Apexi intercooler/piping. We'll see. I have all winter. Open to more sugesstions tho!!! thanks guys!

riceboy · 10-17-2003, 01:58 PM

block gurads are bad, they prohibit coolant from getting to the top parts of the jackets, and that is where the combustion is, making it the part where coolant is needed the most, this can lead to blowing head gaskets and that can lead to lifted or warped heads.

I suggest ENDYN rollerwaves over JE.

right now EARL on honda-tech has a deal going for benson's sleeving for a grand, you provide and ship the block, but thats still a hell of a deal, and if you are about to assemble a motor, thats the best decision you can make is to get it sleeved. Me and everyone else that I've ever known that build a motor without sleees regreted it. its just pointless. You will reach a point when you will want more boost thant he stock sleeves can handle, whether you admit it now or not.

LS turbo is nice.

CRseX84 · 10-17-2003, 03:19 PM

SleEPeR_CRX- u said to use b16 rods or JE wich are better? i thought the b16 rods were shorter then the b18?? im no expert bout this im acualy doin a LS/VTEC swap cuz i cant afford a turbo, but whats a good rod to use for a affordable price? im goin wit CTR pistons, and probably Skunk2 springs, retaners, valves, and maby cam... this is my first swap soo if u could give me some pointer that be dope. thanks bro

SolReaver · 10-17-2003, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by SleEPeR_CRX@Oct 16 2003, 07:59 PM
ok 87b16crx, u have a few things wrong, ANY car with turbo ownz gas, they have a WAY better powerband than ANY non-vtec car, the only problem is they are alot more expensive. now RFH, to get back to u. if u wanna stay N/A to say u can kill mustangs and all that shit and ur engine is n/a go nuts, make sure u get b16a rods and pistions or better, such as the JE ones u said. the LS rods cant spin past 7500, but trust me once u get vtec, u will wanta* 8500+ redline. i still suggest going LS/T, with the $$ needed to make an LS/T run low 12's, it will take about the same $$ to make a LS/Vtec run low 13's high 12's. the LS will safely hold roughly 9 psi. which is alot for a stock engine, and will easily get it into the low 13's with good slicks and driving.either way u look at it, u will need to get a good racing clutch *cough* ACT Extreme*cough* and either a Vafc or Safc. id pick the LS/T 9 times outa 10, but if u are crazy about N/A like alot of people are. go LS/Vtec just make sure its DONE RIGHT, or u will have a ticking time bomb.

Foolish child, YOU are the one that has a few things wrong. A d15 with the bolt on greddy turbo kit will get walked by a n/a itr, not only that, the powerband depends mainly on the size of the turbo used. Don't make igonrant assumptions. That proves your retarded ass statement <ANY car with turbo ownz gas, they have a WAY better powerband than ANY non-vtec car> wrong.

<the LS rods cant spin past 7500> o.m.g. Youve said this 8 million times on this site, and numerous people have told you that you are wrong. Yet you still dont understand. You must be one of those people that tries jumping off a bridge just because someone told you that you can fly.

<with the $$ needed to make an LS/T run low 12's, it will take about the same $$ to make a LS/Vtec run low 13's high 12's> that statement is useless as it is just your opinion and has no backing.

<the LS will safely hold roughly 9 psi> You are the spawn of a mentally handicapped mother and father. There are countless ls/t setups on h-t that are running ~15 psi on a stock motor. Your ignorance disturbs me.

If you have no idea what you are talking about, do us all a favor and NOT post. No one will look down on you, just dont post misinformation.

Back on topic- I recommend ls turbo hands down. Id go with eagle rods, cp pistons, bolt on turbo kit, and have a nice day. If then you think you are too slow, add the vtec head.

brc80 · 10-17-2003, 04:39 PM

Everyone seems to forget that psi does not matter. A bigger turbo at a lower psi will push the same amount of air as smaller turbo at i higher psi.

SolReaver · 10-17-2003, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brc80@Oct 17 2003, 03:39 PM
Everyone seems to forget that psi does not matter. A bigger turbo at a lower psi will push the same amount of air as smaller turbo at i higher psi.

wtf nobody mentioned anything about psi or the relationship of air volume to pressure

RFHOMI2U · 10-18-2003, 06:34 PM

All I know is there is this kid with a 5g hatch that lives near where I do and He's running 11.8's on slicks on an LS/Turbo on full interior, And I think it's B18B not A like I have. I don't know what's done to that. I intend to ask him, but As far as I'm aware he isn't the most friendly person.

khrisb · 10-18-2003, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleEPeR_CRX@Oct 16 2003, 07:59 PM
ok 87b16crx, u have a few things wrong, ANY car with turbo ownz gas, they have a WAY better powerband than ANY non-vtec car, the only problem is they are alot more expensive. now RFH, to get back to u. if u wanna stay N/A to say u can kill mustangs and all that shit and ur engine is n/a go nuts, make sure u get b16a rods and pistions or better, such as the JE ones u said. the LS rods cant spin past 7500, but trust me once u get vtec, u will wanta 8500+ redline. i still suggest going LS/T, with the $$ needed to make an LS/T run low 12's, it will take about the same $$ to make a LS/Vtec run low 13's high 12's. the LS will safely hold roughly 9 psi. which is alot for a stock engine, and will easily get it into the low 13's with good slicks and driving.either way u look at it, u will need to get a good racing clutch *cough* ACT Extreme*cough* and either a Vafc or Safc. id pick the LS/T 9 times outa 10, but if u are crazy about N/A like alot of people are. go LS/Vtec just make sure its DONE RIGHT, or u will have a ticking time bomb.

I hate you.

10-16-2003, 07:45 PM	#1
RFHOMI2U Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 301 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Ok, I just bought an entire LS swap. ECU, axles, wiring harness, mounts, tranny, entire thing. It's sitting in my garage. A friend is hooking me up with a B16 head. I was thinking of LS/VTEC, but have heard many bad things. But, I might as well anyways considering the deal on the head I am getting. I was also thinking of the possiblility of LS/Turbo because of how much boost I have heard they are capable of holding. So what's a better idea? LS/VTEC or LS/Turbo? It's definitely not staying stock. Or should I do LS/VTEC and save for turbo?? Either way, forged pistons and rods will be going in, and the possibility of pinning the block as well. Just looking for sugesstions. Thanks! - Ryan oh yea.... what was it that the LS rods were bad after? I heard they absolutely can not spin past 7,000 rpm's. Is it 7,000? or 7,500?? I could deal with a 7500 rpm limit if VTEC kicked in at around 5,500. __________________ Boosted LS CRX --- Loving the fact that it never runs. After 10G's of work without drivability - seriously considering setting it on fire.

10-16-2003, 08:59 PM	#3
SleEPeR_CRX Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver B.C. canada Posts: 1,227 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 27	ok 87b16crx, u have a few things wrong, ANY car with turbo ownz gas, they have a WAY better powerband than ANY non-vtec car, the only problem is they are alot more expensive. now RFH, to get back to u. if u wanna stay N/A to say u can kill mustangs and all that shit and ur engine is n/a go nuts, make sure u get b16a rods and pistions or better, such as the JE ones u said. the LS rods cant spin past 7500, but trust me once u get vtec, u will wanta 8500+ redline. i still suggest going LS/T, with the $$ needed to make an LS/T run low 12's, it will take about the same $$ to make a LS/Vtec run low 13's high 12's. the LS will safely hold roughly 9 psi. which is alot for a stock engine, and will easily get it into the low 13's with good slicks and driving.either way u look at it, u will need to get a good racing clutch cough ACT Extremecough and either a Vafc or Safc. id pick the LS/T 9 times outa 10, but if u are crazy about N/A like alot of people are. go LS/Vtec just make sure its DONE RIGHT, or u will have a ticking time bomb. __________________ Sleepers Are the Only way to Go. 1990 CRX Si B18a(92) CAI/E, Gutted, ACT clutch/pressure plate/13lb flywheel, Crower 403 Cams, Titanium Valve springs & Retainers, Blockguard, Head Milled 20 thou, 9.8:1 Compression, AEM cam gears. 1/4 = 14.73 60' = 2.48 trap = 95.03mph Soon to get: Header, Slicks Future 13 second all motor LS!

10-16-2003, 11:16 PM	#4
get_nick The G37.... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Washington State Age: 29 Posts: 9,992 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Black G37, '07 R6 Rep Power: 266	ls turbo is the way to go. when you are boosting a lot you wont even feel the vtec. __________________ I changed the page layout. let me know what you think. I need feedback. www.obamacies.com

10-17-2003, 11:37 AM	#5
RFHOMI2U Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 301 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	ok, i think LS/Turbo has won me over. Now what is recommended for that setup? I should definitely do forged pistons/rods, but whatelse? I have heard about block guards and such, but I hear they are bad, and some people tell me they are good? I don't get it. I was looking into a Greddy kit with a possible Apexi intercooler/piping. We'll see. I have all winter. Open to more sugesstions tho!!! thanks guys! __________________ Boosted LS CRX --- Loving the fact that it never runs. After 10G's of work without drivability - seriously considering setting it on fire.

10-17-2003, 01:58 PM	#6
riceboy Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dallas Posts: 36 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	block gurads are bad, they prohibit coolant from getting to the top parts of the jackets, and that is where the combustion is, making it the part where coolant is needed the most, this can lead to blowing head gaskets and that can lead to lifted or warped heads. I suggest ENDYN rollerwaves over JE. right now EARL on honda-tech has a deal going for benson's sleeving for a grand, you provide and ship the block, but thats still a hell of a deal, and if you are about to assemble a motor, thats the best decision you can make is to get it sleeved. Me and everyone else that I've ever known that build a motor without sleees regreted it. its just pointless. You will reach a point when you will want more boost thant he stock sleeves can handle, whether you admit it now or not. LS turbo is nice. __________________ V-TEK is ebonics, V-TECH is a phone, you will find neither of them written anywhere on any Honda. I want a 88-91 Silver CRX hood, PM or E-mail me. For sale : place racing crx b-series mounts and linkage $300 PR4 OBD0 ECU


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10-16-2003, 07:48 PM	#2
87B16CRX Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	Personally I would do LS/Turbo because to me Turbo on VTEC Cars is a waste. Your powerband is Horrible because is for economy so what u are doin is trying to force air into half open valves but then once vtec kick in it just JUMPS because the valves are finally open...So if u dont have vtec u dont have half open valves so u have a better power band

10-17-2003, 03:19 PM	#7
CRseX84 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: SUNY Canton College, NY. Posts: 480 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	SleEPeR_CRX- u said to use b16 rods or JE wich are better? i thought the b16 rods were shorter then the b18?? im no expert bout this im acualy doin a LS/VTEC swap cuz i cant afford a turbo, but whats a good rod to use for a affordable price? im goin wit CTR pistons, and probably Skunk2 springs, retaners, valves, and maby cam... this is my first swap soo if u could give me some pointer that be dope. thanks bro

10-17-2003, 04:39 PM	#9
brc80 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Southern California Age: 29 Posts: 1,613 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 Integra GSR Rep Power: 31	Everyone seems to forget that psi does not matter. A bigger turbo at a lower psi will push the same amount of air as smaller turbo at i higher psi. __________________ 1994 Acura Integra GSR Power: AEM V2 Cold Air Intake GReddy 4-2-1 Header GReddy Evo 2 Exhaust Suspension: Tanabe Sustec Pro S-0C

10-18-2003, 06:34 PM	#11
RFHOMI2U Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 301 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	All I know is there is this kid with a 5g hatch that lives near where I do and He's running 11.8's on slicks on an LS/Turbo on full interior, And I think it's B18B not A like I have. I don't know what's done to that. I intend to ask him, but As far as I'm aware he isn't the most friendly person. __________________ Boosted LS CRX --- Loving the fact that it never runs. After 10G's of work without drivability - seriously considering setting it on fire.

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