Difference between a democrat and republican
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Cashizslick
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How so, a regressive tax would mean rich people pay (i.e) 2% while the poor pay 60%.
Heres some food for thought . . . . the left is big on economic and social equality. Thats why they make rich people pay more of their earnings than poor people. They feel that the rich dont diserve to have that much and that all people should have the same or similar situation in life. . . . . which is actually like communism.
Sabz5150
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Most other taxes are regressive... gas tax, smoke tax, alcohol tax, sales tax. Income tax balances it out. Unfortunately everyone (mostly the rich) target the income tax.
Here's a snippet from that link I provided that should clear it up:
The tax cut is a funny way of managing a household. It's like deciding that you are spending too much money, so you ask your boss for a wage cut.
Perhaps the best way to stop spending too much money is to stop spending too much money. What an idea! Fix or cut the wasteful programs.
Sometimes a tax cut is not really a tax cut. That's because there is no free lunch. If a needed program is blindly defunded, then the money has to come from somewhere. Often if it's a federal program that is defunded, the slack is taken up by local (largely regressive) taxes. What we have is not a tax cut, but a tax shift, from the Rich Boys debt onto the Poor Boy's shoulders.
In 1996 a federal across-the-board "tax cut" was popular in certain circles. Here is how cutting progressive (income) taxes might have effected you:
If you made 36K, Dole's 15% "cut" takes $320/year less from you. But if local sales taxes edge up 1% to make up, you just lost money. Beware of the free lunch.
Communism, based on the word 'community', in itself is good. It's main purpose is to eliminate the class system. Unfortunately power corrupts, and you get the Soviet Union, where communism was used to further enforce the class system. If you want a good, real-life example of a communist/socialist society working the way it should, look at the Linux and Open Source community.
Here's some food for thought for you... what is wrong with paying ten cents on every dollar you have? I'll pay the same ten cents that you do. You just happen to have more dollars than me. Becuase of this, you pay more. Somehow, this doesn't go over well?
Cashizslick
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Maybe you dont understand our current tax structure.
The way it works now, if i have more money then you, i wont pay 10 cents on a dollar . .. . i will pay 30 or 60 cents on a dollar. That is how the tax structure works now and its called a "Graduated Tax Structure" like i said earlier.
The example you gave above in quotes is an example of a flat Tax system (which you yourself also said earlier in this thread) would make the whole system regressive. . . . . its too bad taxes dont work the way you just described.
the current tax system keeps me with a job so lets not go pushing flat tax...
the idea behind the graduated tax system is that people with more money can afford to pay more cause they have more income
someone making 15K a year cannot give 30% and still survive, where-as someone who makes 100K can give 30% but still live very nicely...
EDIT: has anyone checked out the website i listed yesterday?
the idea behind the graduated tax system is that people with more money can afford to pay more cause they have more income
someone making 15K a year cannot give 30% and still survive, where-as someone who makes 100K can give 30% but still live very nicely...
EDIT: has anyone checked out the website i listed yesterday?
Cashizslick
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I agree with the rational for imposing a gaduated tax system, but at the same time i dont think its fair - you shouldnt be "penalized" for earning more than some moron at mcdonalds.
BTW, if you dont mind me asking what do you do for work (im only asking if you are employed by the state).
I'm an accountant, so if we got a flat tax i wouldn't have a job as anyone could do their own taxes...
I am curious as to how old you are...?
i couldn't agree with you more
what people need to realize is that unless you are a millionare the american gov't is not representing you... they are representing themselves...
I am curious as to how old you are...?
i couldn't agree with you more
what people need to realize is that unless you are a millionare the american gov't is not representing you... they are representing themselves...
Lets simplify things:
Vote Bush, get drafted.
Draft reinstatement proposal for as early as 2005. The Pentagon has already begun filling 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.
College and Canada wouldn't be an option, either. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country.
Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class
lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter.
Vote Bush, get drafted.
Draft reinstatement proposal for as early as 2005. The Pentagon has already begun filling 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.
College and Canada wouldn't be an option, either. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country.
Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class
lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter.
uhm... suprise...
the draft will go through if BUSH or KERRY are in office...
the draft will go through if BUSH or KERRY are in office...
Some people have said that Kerry supports the draft too, but I haven't found any evidence of that in his speeches so far. Still looking though.
That's the one thing I'm on the fence about... I'm voting for Kerry for the 'lesser of two evils' thing. But if I find hard proof that Kerry supports the draft too, then screw it I'm voting Nader.
MaaseyRacer
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I could not find any non-contridicting evidence that John Kerry Did not serve in Vietnam. And besides these war records should not even be brought up. Kerry's record is there just like any Vietnam vet. Saying Kerry did not earn any of his Purple Hearts is like saying my uncle did not get shot numerous times in Vietnam, and did not earn is purple hearts.
But I did find this:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/02/...s/index_np.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...3-2004Sep8.html
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/inde...?bid=3&pid=1803
http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Rea...df09082004.html
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lechliter.pdf (PDF File from the New York Times)
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/...y/index_np.html
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/articl...t_id=1000625682
http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Rea...df09082004.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/...ain642060.shtml
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._national_guard
Oh and this interesting bit:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm
MaaseyRacer
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Cashizslick
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Lol, why does it matter how old i am . . ?
- seeing as how tax season keeps you occupied . . . how long have you been a CPA?
I feel as you do that the american government ALWAYS represents themselves. Politicians are all corrupt and only get elected by appealing to various social groups, classes, ect in an election year.
Not to get on your case or anything, im just surprised you work one on one with money, preparing tax returns, ect - but you are not as "conservative" in your views as some other accountants i know. . . . maybe its because you work in the public sector instead of with a firm as a managerial accountant? (guessing you are not an active CMA if you have that certification as well).
Its really hard to pin down any static stereotypes between the two parties. Really, there are three types of republicans:
The religious right: comprised of southern baptists and their fundamentalist ilk. Spurning the idea of equality, they feel that America belongs only to them, and the rest of need to conform to their patriarchical authoritarian biblical ideals or leave. Led by nuts like Jerry Fallwell who break IRS rules and preach from the pulpit, you find them typically in the "bible belt" areas.
Laissez faire capitalists: These are the people who fantasize about getting Adam Smith drunk an taking advantage of his invisible hand. Though they do not often take positions on social issues, their economic position is clear, they want to government to have as little or no influence on the economy as possible.
Republican moderates: People who usually have a somewhat religious background, though still a far cry from the fundamentaists, and base many of their ideas on social policy from it. Economically speaking they may realize that some government regulation of the economy is necessary (to prevent things like the great depression, ensure safe working conditions, minimum wage etc) though often have a lot of scorn for social programs that they dont like (welfare, universalized health care, etc).
Of course these descriptions do not usually fit a person exactly, as they are usually some kind of amalgamation of the three.
Its kind of late so ill try and get to generalizations for democrats and some of the larger thrid parties tomorrow.
The religious right: comprised of southern baptists and their fundamentalist ilk. Spurning the idea of equality, they feel that America belongs only to them, and the rest of need to conform to their patriarchical authoritarian biblical ideals or leave. Led by nuts like Jerry Fallwell who break IRS rules and preach from the pulpit, you find them typically in the "bible belt" areas.
Laissez faire capitalists: These are the people who fantasize about getting Adam Smith drunk an taking advantage of his invisible hand. Though they do not often take positions on social issues, their economic position is clear, they want to government to have as little or no influence on the economy as possible.
Republican moderates: People who usually have a somewhat religious background, though still a far cry from the fundamentaists, and base many of their ideas on social policy from it. Economically speaking they may realize that some government regulation of the economy is necessary (to prevent things like the great depression, ensure safe working conditions, minimum wage etc) though often have a lot of scorn for social programs that they dont like (welfare, universalized health care, etc).
Of course these descriptions do not usually fit a person exactly, as they are usually some kind of amalgamation of the three.
Its kind of late so ill try and get to generalizations for democrats and some of the larger thrid parties tomorrow.
driverunknown
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Originally posted by Sabz5150+Sep 9 2004, 08:40 PM-->
We will, when you find W's.
I feel acoming on.
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Read up on the news pal. forged claims.
BAHAHAHAHAHHAA
was this a quote or did you write this yourself? very funny
and to Cashizslick:
i was curious about your age cause i was wondering if your views are based on a 40+ hour work week, or if your views are spawned in a college enviroment...
nothing wrong with either one, but you may find your thinking to be altered once you enter the work force full time...
the longer you work the more dis-enfranchised you get...
and i'm not a CPA just yet, still waiting to sit for the exam
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