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Extreme Haiti Bash

Discussion in 'Members' Lounge' started by 95b16coupe, Jan 27, 2010.

  1. 95b16coupe

    95b16coupe New Member

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    this guy said probably what a lot of people are thinking. but should he have? was he wrong in saying so?

    Former NBAer criticizes Haitian relief efforts - NBA News - FOX Sports on MSN

     
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  2. E_SolSi

    E_SolSi Member of the 20 nut club Moderator VIP

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    :concur:


    i have been saying the same thing since the quake happened
     
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    eg6sir Supa Mod Moderator VIP

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    |Chaz| Well-Known Member VIP

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    I completely agree with that freelance writer.
     
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    D16Civic Matt

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    I wholeheartedly agree with everything he said, and if he would have stopped after the first paragraph he would have been fine.
     
  6. E_SolSi

    E_SolSi Member of the 20 nut club Moderator VIP

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    im quoting up his entire post here... because it was a pain in the ass to get to it (guessing the site is getting hammered)


    i absolutely agree with everything he said there
    it is a well written opinion piece that i am willing to bet mirrors many peoples feelings completely

    i dont think he should be punished for this in any way
     
  7. TurboMirage

    TurboMirage YEEAAAHHH VIP

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    if that guy was on the board i would rep him.
     
  8. 95b16coupe

    95b16coupe New Member

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    you can rep me for posting it. :D

    on a side note, i post like this all the time. I get called a "communist" or "hitler". i'm still waiting for more responses before i post my .02.
     
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  9. SlushboxTeggy

    SlushboxTeggy It's only stupid if it doesn't work VIP

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    Haiti has and probably always will be a shit hole. Why? Because of the Haitians that live there. Tourists in the Dominican Republic are told to steer clear of Haiti.

    Look at the Dominican Republic. They are a travel destination that I can't afford. They bring revenue into their country hand over foot. They export how many baseball players every year?

    Name one Haitian resort. Name one Haitian baseball player. It's the same fucking island. You have exactly what the other side of the island has. It's your own damn fault you haven't done shit with it.
     
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  10. Airjockie

    Airjockie Watanabe Whore!!!

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    not related to haiti.....but related to life in general.

    I've lived in NM, grew up there, and got a job. And survived.

    I've joined the Air Force...worked there, lived and went thru the training program...and went where they wanted me to go...

    I've lived in Japan... worked with the AF, then sepperated...and stayed there...still had a job doing things..making money...surviving.... I was 10 miles away from the Kobe earthquake... scared the crap out of me...but I didn't get get a dime for it.

    Moved to Florida...got an education, lived there, and survived.

    Moved to CT...got a job, and I'm still surviving..... Hell...I make more money than most people I know....and I don't work as hard....



    I only donate to the MS society and the humane society..... and I pay my taxes..... I'm pretty sure my $14,000 a year that I pay to my federal tax collector will get some of my money to the lame, jobless, disaster ridden lazy fucks that has no brain cells to fend for themselves.....
     
  11. lswhitecivic

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    Wow...I don't really know what to say.

    I'm surprised by what people are saying about something that they seems to know so little about.

    There is a small bit of truth in Shirley's letter, but his tone makes him basically come off as an arrogant prick. How is the current generantion of Haiti supposed to fix a problem of being poor that has plagued the nation for over 100 years. The average daily wage in Haiti for an adult is $2. Also, Haiti's overpopulation has nothing to do with this disaster and frankly is a world wide problem not just Haiti.

    I don't know enough to go into great detail on the subject, but Haiti being poor is a lot more complicated than the people being lazy. What I do know is that Haiti claimed independence from France only after France required Haiti to pay initially 150 million francs, reduced to 90 million francs, as reparations from slave trading. As far as I know that debt is still not entirely paid due to interest.

    That alone had massive ramifications on the country. An article in the Times of London said by the year 1900, Haiti was spending 80% of its national budget on repayments. That doesn't leave much left to do things like build the infrastructure of a country.

    At that time Haiti's main export was sugar from growing sugar cane, but by the late 1800s and early 1900s the sugar beets began to put a dent in the sugar cane industry because beets could be grown in places other then tropical climates.

    Something else thats plagued the nation is that of corrupt politicians who have basically stolen a lot of the countries money over the years to line their own pockets.

    In regards to the Dominican Republic...by land size the DR is almost twice the size of Haiti, add to that the fact that Haiti's north and south peninsulas are basically mountain ranges, that drastically reduces the land area for growing crops.
     
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    Cashizslick !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!

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    Yes its mostly true what he said about Haiti, but it cost him his job. Now who's stupid?
     
  13. 95b16coupe

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    this will give him more publicity than simply writing for ESPN. he will probably make more money now after being known as the "haiti hating nba player" than as "Paul shirley, columnist".
     
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    I applaud this guy for saying what many of us are thinking, and I agree with him wholeheartedly.

    I am sick and tired of hearing about "the plight of Haiti" when there is so much wrong in our own country. Politics loves distractions like this because Americans' need to feel charitable refocuses their attention off of how terribly mismanaged our own country is.
     
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    why is this OUR problem??
    but oh yeah we've been giving them tens to hundreds of millions of dollars in aid every year for YEARS... just for being poor
    and thats just from the US... that doesnt count all of the aid money they get from other countries.... again, just for being poor


    and their GDP is about $7 Billion... their cost of living is also SIGNIFICANTLY lower... drawing comparisons to US income levels is pointless and misleading

    i beg to differ... hoards of poor people crowded into poorly built shanty towns with little or no safety standards has a LOT to do with this disaster... and while this scene can be found throughout many "3rd world" countries, i would not say that it is a "world wide problem"


    it was paid off in 1947 (63 years ago)
    they were also in line to receive $22Billion from France as reparations for this wrongful and illegal charge.... unfortunately for them, their fucked up corrupt government had an uprising, and the new leaders screwed the whole deal up by renouncing Haiti's claims for the restitution/reparations money...
    once again... not OUR problem... pretty much France and Haiti's problem



    see above section
    blah blah blah 63 years
    blah blah blah supposed to get $22Billion but they fucked it up
    blah blah blah not our problem


    so in 100 years they have not been able to figure out another form of income? thats just irresponsible... fishing, tourism, tobacco, textiles, drugs... but why bother reinventing yourself as a country when people will just give you money... the whole damn country is on global welfare


    corrupt politicians is not a new or exclusive concept... how you deal with them determines whether or not you will live under their boot heel or not
    dont like the government?? get rid of them... vote them out or rise up against them...
    once again not our problem


    crops are not the only way to make a living in the Caribbean... if they cleaned up their act they could be a tourist trap and make fucking BANK... i already went into this so im not going to bother saying much more
     
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    Rough National Debt per capita:

    Haiti - $463
    USA - $40,000



    They are in better shape than WE are.....
     
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    I've said it from day one, for their government this is the BEST THING to ever happen to Haiti.

    I'm very sad for what happened to the people, they were born there and have no choice. With that being said, if the people running the country ever did anything right, they would have slowly moved up over the last 100 years but no, they're very poor and have very few things if anything at all setup in case of a disaster like what just happened.

    Linh was born in Vietnam and every few weeks we receive stuff in the mail to donate to Vietnam to help the poor people, if anyone doesn't know, Vietnam is a pretty poor country run by a very screwed up government. Linh told me to throw them out and never ever donate to them, why? because anything that gets sent over there is robbed from the people by the government and used by the rich.

    How much money is getting pumped into Haiti? How much of that money will be seen on a per person level? Will the people who are hurt and in need see 5% of the total items donated? not just money but shirts, shoes, pants. Anything.....

    chances are....


    Edit, Just wanted to say that if anyone wants to donate, make sure its with redcross, people who are going over there with supplies and giving it directly to people are helping temporally until they leave. Once outside people stop overseeing things first hand, it will all go to chit.
     
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    Slim to fucking none.
     
  20. lswhitecivic

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    I agree with Jeffie, and I think that is my big thing with my previous post, without all the other information. I feel sorry for the people of Haiti born there with no way of getting out. The government has been corrupt for a long time, Haiti has had several Coups in their history. But the U.S. government is corrupt as well, why should this stop us from trying to help them if we can do so without giving a bunch of money to the government.

    You can't just blame them and say "Not my problem"...that's like watching a car accident and then just walking away without seeing if people are alright.

    The U.S. aid figures have been released which show that for each dollar the U.S. uses less than $.01 will go to the government. I hope that is the same for all aid from this disaster so the government gets minimal funds.
     
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