VTEC_CBR
Senior Member
I never thought I would, but I agree with you 100%Silver...
I train to fight. I'm pretty sure I have a good idea of what I'm talking about. I'll rephrase what I said initially to more accurately articulate my point - Lesnar has FINISHED fights via TKO but is not a fighter that I would consider a KO artist/"a stop guys dead in their track" fighter. He's a "obtain dominate position, inflict whatever damage I can" fighter.
1) There's a huge difference between a KO and a TKO.
2) There's a clear difference in the crispness of Carwin's strikes versus those of Lesnar. Lesnar is a stronger individual yet he hasn't earned a single KO because he is simply raw power and aggression. While Carwin is still a monster, he is not as strong as Brock. However, Carwin is much more refined, allowing him to have well placed punches that knock people out cold.
3) Lesnar has attempted to end every fight early. Watch all of his fights again. You're proving my point. He has TRIED to end fights early but hasn't been able to end them at will. Watching him fight is like watching a smash and grab robbery. He has a clear physical and athletic advantage over his opponents that allows him to win - but I think when you put him in the ring with Carwin, I think there's a high likelihood that as long as Carwin can fend off the bull rush, that he could knock Lesnar out.
-Your pictures prove my point. Lesnar has literally tried to smash every opponents face in - resulting in bruises, blood and damage, but not KOs.
To quote myself from earlier in this thread;
"Yes, he inflicts damage and the after fight pictures are not pretty but no, he doesn't generally KO his opponents."
Mir doesn't look like a mess after Carwin, because a single well placed shot on the chin knocked him out cold. You're not going to see the same blood, bruising, etc with a chin shot. The worst you'll see is swelling from a broken jaw but that is far less noticeable than a broken orbital bone, smashed up nose, etc. Because his opponents are bloody, doesn't mean anything regarding his KO ability. It speaks to the point that he's not dishing out KOs but rather TKOs. Watch any of Mike Tyson's victims from when he was in his prime - the typical after fight photos are not of opponents that are bloodied messes.
If you think bruising and blood prove a point that Lesnar is a fight finisher, I bring you this;
That's damage inflicted by a 145lber. That fight went the full five rounds.
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After photos of another fight that went to decision. Again - lighter weight fighters. 170lbs.
Everything I've said makes perfect sense, you're just too wrapped around what you have to say that you prefer not to open your eyes or ears to another person's opinion.
I've said the whole time that I'm a Lesnar fan and I defended the guy before he came to the UFC. The fact remains that he has not shown himself to be a knock out artist. You can call him a fight finisher because he's earned TKOs. I question all of the TKOs with the exception of the second Mir fight.
Couture is 40+ and a 205lber not a heavyweight. Min-Soo Kim is just a spectacle and not a fighter - he tapped to strikes. GTFO. Heath Herring is a nobody - not even a top 10 contender. If Lesnar lights out Carwin, I may change my opinion - depending on the circumstances of the victory.
That first picture, is it Urijah Faber after fighting Aldo?