Joe Biden: "be patriotic, pay more taxes"

[ejclide]

woah woah, if you're going to consider McCain "Bush III", you've got something to learn.

As for the generalization, yeah, maybe, but it puts our current tax situation in perspective for the not so mathematically inclined to understand it.

Here's one major thing to consider. The president has many responsibilities and powers, but only one power he has can go unchecked, and that's as the Commander In Chief. Every other aspect of the presidency has checks and balances to keep him under control (lucky you, democrats, with control of the house that shouldn't be hard). But when you consider that the president has the power to control our armed forces without consulting the senate or house, then that tosses out a probing question. Do you really want a Jr. Senator from Illinois holding that responsibility? or would you rather have a man that has not only served this country, but knows the armed forces probably better than most?

My vote's with McCain on that one.

 

[Drake]

Uber generalization mode = ON

Obama wants our guns taken away, but he'll never get it done.

Bush III wants to go to war with everyone, and he can get it done.

I've got to go with Obama this time around. His good stuff can get done, his bad stuff will take alot of fighting. With McCain I see nothing but lower taxes while we die. I see more overall good coming out of it with Obama, sadly.


We're back in giant douche and turd sandwich territory.

Obama may not get away with banning firearms but he can sure as shit claim that lead bullets are poisining everyone and get them banned. Forcing pretty much every major manufacture to go out of buisness because they cannot switch from processing lead and copper to steel and tungsten. (See pending Washington and California bullet bans)

I agree that this is one of those lesser of two evil type decissions but I cannot get behind Obama. He just rubs me the wrong way honestly. He promises to "change" and shake things up, but as long as the same people sit around in Washington year after year what can you get done? His reversal on Telco amnesty is a big deal in my mind. I know that McCain was for it, but he did not promise to fight it until the bitter end and then say "Eh, we tried and it is in the intrest of National Security" (not a direct quote, I am paraphrasing) He talks about the evils of the current administration and then agrees to a spying bill that you have no way to fight?

 

[ejclide]

Obama may not get away with banning firearms but he can sure as shit claim that lead bullets are poisining everyone and get them banned. Forcing pretty much every major manufacture to go out of buisness because they cannot switch from processing lead and copper to steel and tungsten. (See pending Washington and California bullet bans)

I agree that this is one of those lesser of two evil type decissions but I cannot get behind Obama. He just rubs me the wrong way honestly. He promises to "change" and shake things up, but as long as the same people sit around in Washington year after year what can you get done? His reversal on Telco amnesty is a big deal in my mind. I know that McCain was for it, but he did not promise to fight it until the bitter end and then say "Eh, we tried and it is in the intrest of National Security" (not a direct quote, I am paraphrasing) He talks about the evils of the current administration and then agrees to a spying bill that you have no way to fight?

 

[Capt. Orygun]

if McCain is Bush III then Obama is Osama the 1st

the whole Bush III concept is a scare tactic.

McCain now supports the Bush tax cuts because if elected he would cut spending to match them, which is why he originally opposed them.

McCain differs from Bush on energy and climate change

on torture

Bush came over to McCain's side on immigration, not the other way around

John McCain has proven he works across party lines, Obama just talks about it.

America doesn't need a president who votes "present" more often then he votes "yea" or "nay", that is aversion to executive action personified.

 

[Briansol]

My prediction.

Obama wins election.
economy goes even worse. stocks drop early November like crazy.
sometime in feb-april of 2009, he is assassinated by some radical group.
biden becomes president
economy goes even worse. stocks drop early November like crazy.
we go to 'cold' war with someone over something, and not the middle east either. most likely china, korea, or russia.
2011, new republican candidates start their campaign.
someone with a clue is actually nominated this time.
Things look bright.
2012, America re-elects biden because we're full of lazy retarded fucks.


Canada, eh?

 

[ejclide]

What's really sad about the "Bush III" scare tactic is that Bush can't be held responsible for everything. The democrats want you to think that everything can be changed by replacing one person. EH, false. They want you to think that Obama can fix everything with the stroke of his pen. EH, false. Too many people are suckered into the whole idea that by electing Obama everything will "change". What's sad is so many people are too stupid to look past that and really understand how our government works.

 

[DarkHand]

As soon as I typed Bush III I went right up to the top and added the "Uber generalization mode = ON" remark to try to stem the tide, but I failed.

 

[jamesA]

bah. fuck him. Almost an entire week of my monthly paychecks goes straight to taxes already.

 

[ejclide]

As soon as I typed Bush III I went right up to the top and added the "Uber generalization mode = ON" remark to try to stem the tide, but I failed.

my bad, I thought the "uber generalization" comment was about the bar stool economics story.

 

[EGProject]

I listen to a lot of talk radio, read alot of newspapers and do a lot of online research to base my opinions on, so I'm not your normal Obama hater. But what I do know are the people he hangs out with, his voting record, his experience, his inane ability to be the cockiest, most vain person out there, and the truth behind his facade. Beneath all that, lies something else I just can't put my finger on, but something isn't right. He's too new, too radical, and stands for many things that would have Washington rolling in his grave.
But everybody likes him, because he's "cool", and has charisma.
Oh yeah, and hes "the black guy". Too many suburban liberals are voting for him simply so they can live with themselves, and claim to not be racist.

Granted, I was never really a huge fan of McCain, due to his past "buddy-buddy" relationship with Senate and Washington liberals - but he can get the votes, and certainly has the experience to run a country and make hard decisions. Palin...ehhhh, not to sure on this one, I think she may need to tone down her image a bit, but it's a strategically good decision on McCains part.

After reading the whole transcript of Bidens speech, it makes me sick that someone wants me to "step up" in giving more money to the government. I already give up at least 1/3 my pay to the government, most of which goes to a fictional Social Security fund (which I will never see). But as if that wasn't enough the liberals want to take all the money from the "haves" and give it to the "have nots". Immigrants, Section 8 housing, welfare, etc. This can also be called wealth redistribution. You know what government system redistributes the money to all citizens?

Socialism.

You can already see this in the major bail outs going on right now on Wall Street. The government is using 50 BILLION of our tax dollars to buy up subprime loans, stocks, and company shares at rock bottom prices to stabilize the economy. You know what happens when those re-allocated companies and funds start to make money again? The government is going to sell them back - for a huge fucking profit. Are we gonna see any of that money? Ha. Of course not.



The end is near.

*tin foil hat*

 

[ejclide]

This can also be called wealth redistribution. You know what government system redistributes the money to all citizens?

Socialism.

Amen brotha! This is one of the reasons I so strongly support the Republican party. I have a real issue with having to pay more taxes because I've worked harder to make more money, all while some fat ass lazy mother fucker who can't make a decent decision with his/her life is living for free off of my and other hard working people's money. I wouldn't say that people shouldn't get aid, given certain circumstances (my mother received aid after my father died until I graduated high school), but that seems like a legitimate reason. Forgive me for being hard on people who are too lazy to get off their asses, find jobs, and LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS. I think that is the biggest problem today. People do not know how to budget their money and live with what they need. And then when they run out of money, who's there to bail them out? The GOVERNMENT, with all of the hard working people's money.

I'm also frustrated that I will never see a dime of this money I'm pissing away into social security.

 

[DarkHand]

Amen brotha! This is one of the reasons I so strongly support the Republican party.

Same here, only the neocon movement has so completely hijacked the Republican party that I'm embarrassed to call myself one anymore. I support generally Republican values, but not the current iteration of Republicanism.