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you mind posting an article or something so i can tell you what ammendment to said bill caused that switch, cause i can gaurentee thats what it was.

I just went to house.gov and senate.gov, and every immigration bill is in the Judiciary Committee with no votes shown. Im willing to bet that there was a language change that caused the bill the senate got to be TOTALLY different from the house version.

It happends a lot. But hey, you cant blame fox news for trying to turn you against the entire democratic party.
 
i just saw citgo do a commercial about them bringing in oil from venn. and how it only takes them 6 days to do so, what gives with that? there is a lot more to this oil problem then anyone will ever know.
 
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When Bush starts working for the country first and his 1% buddies and his party second, he'll stop being hated on so much.

*cough* bullshit *cough*


He could shit gold and had it out and certain people, you amongst many others on this liberal dominated board, would still complain.


This is what makes politics so horrible. If people didn't have to feel as if they need to show loyalty to one party or person, then everything would go along smoother but no, everyone needs action, limelight, and a piece of the pie.


I predominately side with the republicans of current times because frankly, I don't want Uncle Sam to be in my pocket as little as possible and to leave me the fuck alone. I can make it on my own and don't need, or what the governments help.

Don't quote the Patriot Act, because its in the best interest of the country when used in the proper context and something needed to be done because of the lax security the country had.

It would be nice to live in a European nation like Spain, where everything is so relaxed and everyone can get along and do their own thing without worry.

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But hey, you cant blame fox news for trying to turn you against the entire democratic party.

In all honesty, this is one of the most off base things that you can possibly say.


The media is controlled by 99.9% liberals. Fox News is the only major republican based TV media. With that said, Fox News makes the efforts to have quite a few independents host shows and broadcast interviews.


If you're going to hate on Fox News, hate on everything, that every other news station has reported when it comes to partisan issues.


Personally I would rather watch an indepent on Fox News, then listen to a bleeding heart on CNN poor their heart out about republicans. And with that said, I prefer not to watch any news on TV because of the bias and slant on every issue. If you want to be truly informed, read small publications and scholarly journals from true experts and not the extremists shown on TV stations.

Once again fuck extremists, fuck greedy bastards, fuck socialists that want to share everything I earn, fuck the bi partisan system, fuck god damn near every politician who's ever lived, fuck the corruption, fuck politics and burn this son a bitchhhh down.
 
i dont mind fox news... except the Tyler retard who wears the bow ties. he drives me nuts.
 
i dont watch CNN much, but its the only time i get local (US) news. I usually watch BBC, but american politics arent really on their news list.
 
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i dont mind fox news... except the Tyler retard who wears the bow ties. he drives me nuts.

Seriously B, I respect you on allot of levels but why are you arguing politics? The only thing I can tell from what you've posted is

Your against community service because "you pay taxes" and it reminds you of the movie office space and

You base your media affiliation on the ties worn on the shows....
 
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i dont mind fox news... except the Tyler retard who wears the bow ties. he drives me nuts.

Seriously B, I respect you on allot of levels but why are you arguing politics? The only thing I can tell from what you've posted is

Your against community service because "you pay taxes" and it reminds you of the movie office space and

You base your media affiliation on the ties worn on the shows....
That's an ignorant thing to say, that is pouring fuel on the fire.. fuel we don't have...
Even if someone believed Community Service isn't for them, or they don't like Tyler's ties (i read it in a joke context anyways), how does that invalidate their right and reason to argue politics?
With all our over crowded prisons and jails, for which we all pay taxes to, every city has hundreds.. or thousands of perfcet community service applicants. Why don't i want to do it? Simple.
I can't afford to drive there because our leadership broked teh low class.
That's why a lot of so called 'Republicans' are Republicans, they can afford to be.
I don't choose a political party to follow or vote for, everything's corrupt here and always will be...
Too bad Canada wasn't warmer...
 
No it's not an ignorant thing to say

Anytime I see an influential person in a community (this case being the internet community with influence over all the pissedoffidolaters on this site) refer to giving back to your local community as being "unhip" it bothers me. It doesn't really matter if it's said directly or the message is wrapped around a coy little JPG from a well known movie.

What is Hondaswap? Isn't it in itself a tool to educate and better a community of people? And we have seen countless "thanks for the help", "you made my swap a breeze", ect comments from people who are genuinely thankful for the help this community has provided. What bothers me is that certian people fail to see how this same concept applies to everyday life, not just Honda.

This country has been at it's best when the government stayed smallish and the people controlled as much of the country on as local a level as possible. Many people on here criticize the government for controlling too much of their lives on here. Many of those same people, sometimes in the same breath, also make Marxist statements saying that "I pay taxes and the government should take care of (insert inconvenience here) for me".

This plays to a larger concern I have about my generation having a real problem doing anything for themselves, we are the children and grandchildren of the most successful generation in America, and although we benefited from their wealth we often find ourselves crutched as a result. It's just easier for someone else (in this case the government, which are the ultimate parental figure) to do it for us, even if we complain that they can't handle what they're already doing. If you analize the mindset you'll find it closely resembles that of a teenage male...

Don't get me wrong, things like national security and the global war or terrorism can't be handled by local chapters and I'm glad the government takes care of those things. But as we have seen with things like illegal immigration, local people getting involved is far more effective then our government which is mired in red tape.

The message? Getting involved works. I learned this in the military. And no I wasn't brainwashed (it's amazing how the people who use that term toward the military have spent their entire lives listening to liberal media and teachers), I learned that because when I joined the military I had nothing. When I left the military I was making close to $50,000 a year, and in the mean time I acquired an education. How did I get all that? By working with the people around me for mutual benefit, and more indirectly, the betterment of our community. Those aren't the tactics of "the man" it's a proven formula that has made, kept, and will (if more of us will get off our asses) retain the greatness of our country.

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This country has been at it's best when the government stayed smallish and the people controlled as much of the country on as local a level as possible. Many people on here criticize the government for controlling too much of their lives on here. Many of those same people, sometimes in the same breath, also make Marxist statements saying that "I pay taxes and the government should take care of (insert inconvenience here) for me".
I completely agree.... I wasn't trying to play pissedofffanboyomg, it still was an ignorant thing to say.
It was just pointless to say that to get him mad enough to give you satisfaction of some kind.
 
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No it's not an ignorant thing to say

sure it is.

Anytime I see an influential person in a community (this case being the internet community with influence over all the pissedoffidolaters on this site) refer to giving back to your local community as being "unhip" it bothers me.

and please, do quote me where i said it was unhip to help out one's local community.

It doesn't really matter if it's said directly or the message is wrapped around a coy little JPG from a well known movie.

"doing the Bare minimun" made me chuckle and think of the flare sceene. nothing more. i'm sure others got a chuckle out of it as well.

What is Hondaswap? Isn't it in itself a tool to educate and better a community of people?

https://hondaswap.com/about.php#goals

And we have seen countless "thanks for the help", "you made my swap a breeze", ect comments from people who are genuinely thankful for the help this community has provided. What bothers me is that certian people fail to see how this same concept applies to everyday life, not just Honda.

Why do you think i started this site? Because i'm some bad person who wanted to redeem himself by helping out online? no...

This country has been at it's best when the government stayed smallish and the people controlled as much of the country on as local a level as possible. Many people on here criticize the government for controlling too much of their lives on here. Many of those same people, sometimes in the same breath, also make Marxist statements saying that "I pay taxes and the government should take care of (insert inconvenience here) for me".

But, that's not what we are. We are a big government with little say in anything any more. We vote for some rep who then goes off and does whatever the fuck they want to anyway. Because yes, the "people are too stupid" to do it on their own. That is in the constitution. And hence the electorial college.

As an elected leader, it is their JOB to make decisions that HELP the country and its people.

It should not be their job to make themselves more rich, give gov't contracts to their buddies business even if there were other bidders, etc etc. But, that is what it has become today. It's like high-paying lobbiests.

This plays to a larger concern I have about my generation having a real problem doing anything for themselves, we are the children and grandchildren of the most successful generation in America, and although we benefited from their wealth we often find ourselves crutched as a result. It's just easier for someone else (in this case the government, which are the ultimate parental figure) to do it for us, even if we complain that they can't handle what they're already doing. If you analize the mindset you'll find it closely resembles that of a teenage male...

My grandfather was poor as shit, went to war when he was 17, came home, and saved everything. and i mean everything. rusty used nails in 5 gallon buckets. half-used lead paint cans from 1938. made bearings for GM for 35 years before retiring. hardly successful in my book being a factory worker. It's an hoenst job, sure, but it's no CEO. Unless your grandfather was Carnegie, or one of the other 10-20 names from the turn of the century, our grandparents were nothing.

And this gives more to your case than anything. you aim for those big 10 (republicans) and the grandfathers (dems) get swept under the area rug.

Don't get me wrong, things like national security and the global war or terrorism can't be handled by local chapters and I'm glad the government takes care of those things.
Really?

FEMA proved itself worthless less than a year ago.

But, what about MEMA? ya know, the Misissippi emergency group? yeah them. They took care of shit on their own, and they got more of a hit from Katrina than N.O. did.

But as we have seen with things like illegal immigration, local people getting involved is far more effective then our government which is mired in red tape.

What have local groups done for immigration? anything they have done is probably illegal.

Try to stop them at the border? Assult.
Give them a job? Under cutting federal tax law.

please, enlighten me.

The message? Getting involved works. I learned this in the military. And no I wasn't brainwashed (it's amazing how the people who use that term toward the military have spent their entire lives listening to liberal media and teachers), I learned that because when I joined the military I had nothing. When I left the military I was making close to $50,000 a year, and in the mean time I acquired an education. How did I get all that? By working with the people around me for mutual benefit, and more indirectly, the betterment of our community. Those aren't the tactics of "the man" it's a proven formula that has made, kept, and will (if more of us will get off our asses) retain the greatness of our country.

I won't deny that getting involved works.... but how is what you do different from what i do?
i help people every day. i connect people to other people. hell, you wouldn't be here writing this rant if it weren't for me, hosmer would have never sold that bike to josh, Ian wouldn't have that gsr head, and i wouldn't have had the chance to get blown off by the canadian chick. and as much as that sucks ass, in the end, it was all worth it. why? because i made a few good friends off here, learned some stuff about cars, developed my programming skills and such, and even blow time at work to make long replies such as this.

And i'd do it all over again in a heart beat.
 
i wouldnt have learned a lot of the information i learned if it wasnt for the swap!

but my grandfather was a ceo with GE in new york in the 60's so i cant say anything about that.
 
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What have local groups done for immigration? anything they have done is probably illegal.

Try to stop them at the border? Assault.
Give them a job? Under cutting federal tax law.

please, enlighten me.

The minute man project has proven to be a great deterrent to illegal immigration, the only problem there isn't enough of them. They work as volunteers and not once have been arrested in connection with the project, they observe and report... like a neighborhood watch program, and they're effective

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hell, you wouldn't be here writing this rant if it weren't for me

I'm a columnist for a large independent website, if I was trying to spread a message as wide as I could I have better options

Hondaswap is great to help people but don't pat yourself on the back just yet

what are you doing to help your real world neighborhood?
what are you doing to help develop the youth in your local community?
what are you doing to help promote effectiveness in your own local government?

anyone can stand back and point one finger, it takes a great deal more to jump in there and use your own two hands
 
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what are you doing to help your real world neighborhood?
last thanks giving, i went around with my dad's church and delivered turkeys to the poor.
every year, i give generously to a local soup kitchen.
i signed up on my condo association's board. that's my neighborhood.

what are you doing to help develop the youth in your local community?
nothing. all the kids here are shit heads because their parents don't raise their kids any more cuz they are poor as shit because of the class wars that have developed. the rich get richer (bush), the poor get poorer (most communities residents). Now, i'm not talking lazy shits who won't work. I'm talking about the common blue collar worker who busts his ass to make 25k a year. 25k a year around here is poor. real poor. especially if you have a family.

what are you doing to help promote effectiveness in your own local government?

i voted republican. yes, seriously, i did. I voted for our new mayor last fall, and he is a republican. a good friend of mine is a Constible, and even he will say that the system is so fucked that nothing can get done.

It's not a matter of doing. it's a matter of fixing the broken system.

anyone can stand back and point one finger, it takes a great deal more to jump in there and use your own two hands

i'll gladly give 9 fingers to fixing the system. until then, my one points up. mmMmm
 
I would love to be part of the Minute Men. Grab some old russian border optics, a case of beer and a cooler of food and wait at the border in the back of a Brat.
 
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It would be nice to live in a European nation like Spain, where everything is so relaxed and everyone can get along and do their own thing without worry.

True. But the gov't here has been fucking up lately too, apparently. The people here aren't happy for whatever reasons. I just might have too look into this before I leave. . .
 
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