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Discussion in 'Engine Building' started by brian11to1, Aug 24, 2005.

  1. brian11to1

    brian11to1 Senior Member

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    Poor Mans Type R + Boost (B16 head, gsr shortblock w/LS crank)
    **Bold & Italic items are my concerns**

    Block: B18C1 Block, LS Crank, Wiseco Pistons, Eagle H-beam Rods, ITR oil/water pump, all OEM honda gaskets/bearings/belts, ARP head studs, ARP rod bolts...
    Head: B16A head (gen1), GSR Cams, Skunk2 IM, Hondata IM gasket...

    -Since I plan on running a Full-Race Kit, I will be using their manifold. What trim (B16Head, B18C1block) for the turbo. I want 9psi daily.

    -Should I use aftermarket or OE pistons. If I went with OE, should I just use the GSR Pistons/Rods? If I use aftermarket, what CR should I have? Lower than 9:1 or 9.5:1.

    -Im thinking of using an LS crank (for a tad more torque and it will be balanced/blue printed) in the C1 block, I would then need what size rods? Since hte LS has longer stroke than the GSR.

    I know, I know this is a VTEC build, but help me out.
     
  2. civicious

    civicious FüK-VTEC VIP

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    No, you cannot use B16 headstuds.

    Get the manifold/downpipe for a GSR.

    If you're planning on boosting and keeping OEM pistons, I'd go with the GSR's. As far as rods, if you keep stock pistons you have to keep stock rods. GSR rods with ARP bolts should be fine. Really, in my opinion, you don't even need ARP bolts, because you aren't going to be revving any higher than the GSR redline, and aren't going to be boosting anything incredible, and GSR rod bolts should be just fine.

    I woulnd't go any lower than that. Shit, if I were doing it myself, I'd go 10:1. Boost = more power. Higher compression = more power. Boost + higher compression = more power. Period. Sure, people will say 'but it's going to detonate if you have higher compression with boost' or some shit like that. My response to them: TUNE THAT SHIT!

    :D
     
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    formby learning in progress

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    and will likes blowing shit up! - lower comp is always easier to tune-and more safe
    higher comp = more power - less room for error -
    of course we all know this were all honda swapers ! :ph34r:
     
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    brian11to1 Senior Member

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    Ok, so GSR headstuds.

    What about headgasket? GSR or B16? As far as gaskets, I know I need the GSR bottom end kit and the B16 top end kit. The headgasket is my only worry.

    I do plan on using GSR pistons/rods. I know if I kept OEM pistons the only option for rods, is OEM as well. This I knew. I will more then likely use ARP bolts, just for added insurance. Im going to stay away from Higer CR + boost. Especially 9psi. And yes, I know its all in the tune, which MikeBergy and I will use TurboEdit.
     
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    brian11to1 Senior Member

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    Im thinking of using an LS crank in the C1 block? I would then need what size rods?
     
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    brian11to1 Senior Member

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    Post has been edited, please review it.
     
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    formby learning in progress

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    i think if you use an ls crank in a gsr block youll need special pistons
     
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    erebunicrx my name is Dale

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    i would go with a sc61 turbo. a local kid was making 320 on 10 psi stock gsr. but you may want a better powerband. post what kinda power you want to make.
     
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    brian11to1 Senior Member

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    I want maybe 300 daily driveable, dependable.
     
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    erebunicrx my name is Dale

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    ok, if you only want 300 first thing i would not do is buy a full race kit. there too expensive to only make 300hp. reliableity mostly has to do with tunning. so save the money from the kit, peiece a kit together and spend the rest on a good tunner local to you.
     
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    300 @ 9psi i want to be able to do 400.
     
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    Maybe I'm dumb, but I dont really understand this post... so far I've been really interested in learning what he has to learn, so please explain this.
     
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    Did you quote the wrong person?

    So back on topic.

    If I used an LS crank, what size would the rods need to be?

    I want to go with 9:1 CR, I am using Wiseco Pistons from IB Spec.

    What headgasket do I use. The B16 or the GSR, would it matter?
     
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    Ls rods are 5.394"
     
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    kyleirwin Retired OG

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    if you use an ls crank, you will need ls sized rods (stock ls, or aftermarket ls). ls spec. pistons will also work fine, no need for a custom piston.

    i'm nearly positive that the gsr and b16 headgaskets are the same. although, if you were planning on goin' oem honda from the dealer, then i would buy one for a b16 seeing that honda parts are generally less expensive than their acura counterparts.

    if you're shooting for 400 and no more, the full-race stage 1 kit with the t3/t04e turbo will support that fine. that turbo will also put your right abound your power goal of 300whp @ ~9psi. call todd up at full-race to discuss what trim and a/r will suit your application the best.
     
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    ahhh, wow. finally the answers i was needing.

    so, i can use LS rods (oe or aftermarket), and basically a piston designed for an LS (oe or aftermarket)? Very nice, very nice. Ill get the B16 gasket kit, it should save a little scratch, eh?
     
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    If you are getting your pistons from Import Builders, just tell Jeff what your needs are and he will hook you right up with the right rod and piston combo.
     
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    When he replies to my email, I am going to more then likely go through with getting IB spec 9:1 wiseco super dupers and IB spec eagle h beam rods. So now, the thread is basically for progress notation.
     
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    kyleirwin Retired OG

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    yes on the rods and pistons. there are a couple people on h-t and/or ebay that sell a complete aftermarket gasket kit for like $140, bottom and top end. if you wanna go oem honda, then heeltoeauto.com sell's complete gasket kits and discounted prices. might wanna check them against local honda dealer or wherever you source honda parts to see where you can get a better deal.
     
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