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The Music Industry Doesn't Care About You

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  1. lsvtec

    lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist

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    http://chronicle.com/free/2003/01/2003012901t.htm
    The part that scares me the most is

    Remember, Big Brother is watching you.
     
  2. dohcvtec_accord

    dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout

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    When do we get barcodes tattooed on us and microchips implanted in our arms?
     
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    Lol, I saw the title and KNEW Eric wrote it :) That's bullshit, it's invasion of privacy, plain and simple. When will they learn that if they shut one down, another will pop up, it will never end, they should give up.
     
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    thats why you give em bullshit info to begin with. :D
     
  5. Domeskilla

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    I didn't read that article b/c i'm sick and tired, but I on the news the other night, they talked about the Congress trying to get a bill passed that makes ISP's track down everyone who dloads music from the net.

    That is all I heard about it. I will try and find the story and the consiquences.
     
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    damn that sucks if they do... i have almost 1000 songs... :( :( :( :(
     
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    i used to run a ~20gb distro.. that was pretty big back in 2000 :D



    From: Abuse-Team <abuse-team@corp.home.net>
    Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 10:01 AM
    Subject: @Home Network AUP Violation - Music Copyright
    Infringement/Server


    >We have received a complaint from the Recording Industry Association
    of
    >America that you are hosting an unauthorized music site using your
    @Home
    >Network service for connecting to the Internet. It is located at:
    >
    >> ftp://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    >> This site, which was accessed on 11/07/2000 at 12:47 p.m. (EST),
    offers
    >> approximately 650 sound recordings for download. Many of these
    recordings
    >> are owned by our member companies, including songs by such artists
    as
    DMX,
    >> Dr. Dre, Eminem, Fatboy Slim and Nas.
    >>
    >We are requesting that you immediately remove any files which you are
    >distributing in violation of copyright. Please reply to this email
    with
    >your assurances that these infringing activities will not continue.
    >
    >It has also been brought to our attention that you are running a
    personal
    >server off your @Home Network connection. Please remove it
    immediately.
    This
    >behavior is in violation of the @Home Acceptable Use Policy and
    continuation
    >of this activity will result in termination of your @Home services. If
    you
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    >The @Home Network AUP Management Team
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    It's not the info that you feed Kazaa that they are after. Your ISP keeps a log of traffic into and out of your connection. Based on what port you are using and where packets that you send/recieve are destined or coming from they can make a good guess at the program(s) that you are running. What the music industry wants is your IP address, your physical address, your name, etc so they can prosecute you for stealing music.

    Notice how this is spawned by the big record labels. None of labels for the bands I loke do this. In fact A-F Records occasionally has mp3's on thier site for dl and sharing. Jello Biafra (from the Dead Kennedys) has much of his stuff available on his site for dl (no cost). The big boys need to get a clue.

    My take is as long as I am paying $15-$20 a CD tha usually contains 50% crap I will continue to dl music. Most of the time I dl an entire CD, decide if I like it enough to buy it, if I do I buy it, if I don't I keep the songs I like in mp3 and toss the rest.
     
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    :)
    I got this link in an email from one of the network admins here at NMSU, I had to share it.
     
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    i do the same thing ... im all for buying music ... just make it worth it .... too many bands put out 2-3 good songs then fill the rest of the CD with crap <_<
     
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    Trinity <font color=#FF909B><b>I go back like Aqua Net.</b

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    ya know i'm so sick of this shit. honestly people still buy cd's. i still do. i download songs to see if a cd is decent then i buy it. its greed that is making this such a big deal. people are greedy and feel like they are losing money when last year cd sales were up, but yet they still shut down napster? i just don't get it.
     
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    :withstupid:

    I dont dload complete albums, I just dload the songs I want. I am not going to spend $20 bucks a CD here for a CD that I know I will only like 1-2 songs on it.

    When Napsters came out acouple of years ago, it was the artists that fought the battle, but come on, an artist dont see more than a dime a CD, so they can stfu about CD sales. It's the money hungry labels that feed their artist bullshit songs and than force ppl to pay the 20 bucks for the 1-2 good songs on it. If Congress passes the bill where you can't dload anymore, then music labels have the ability to where they can have abunch of meaningless songs (shit songs) on there and either you waste your 20 bucks, or not have the songs you like.
     
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    I am not against buying CD's either. My CD collection isn't huge, but it is by no means small. Downloading mp3's is the reason I own 75% of the punk/ska CD's that I own. I heard a couple of mp3's, I looked for their albums, I liked what I found so I paid for the Disc.
     
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    Come on lsvtec,if your into DK than you know it's been us against the "music industry" forever.As I fan/participant/promoter of underground music since the early 80's I've seen a lot of shit like friends getting sued for bootlegging,small labels getting shut down cuz of selling bootlegs.The industry has always tried to get as much cash as it could,now it is just a different kind of stealing.Fuck the music industry and it's over priced cd's.I know for a fact it cost about $1.00 to make a cd,and like $00.35 (if not less) to make as many as they do.So everyone continue to get everything you can for free from the bastards.
     
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    Yeah I know. That is why I buy from the small labels whenever I can. Directly from A-F Records or Asian Man Records, etc.
     
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    You do have to look at it a bit from their (the music industry)point of view. They're money hungery ass holes who THINK (whether it be the truth or not) that because we have access to the music we are going to dl it and not buy the CDs. They don't care that CD sells are up 3% this year, it's the concept of the thing. If it looks like there is the possibility to lose money, and there is, they are going to go crazy, doing everything in their power to stop it. Even if that means loosing a lot of respect and fans in the prosess. In the long run it going to cost them more money just to proscute users than it would be just to sit back and shut the fuck up about it.
     
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    Each CD has a value of 100 points. 1 pt = 1 penny. Most BIG artist only receive around 7-8 pts per cd. Take the $20 dollars CD's cost and minus the nickle average ppl get and that leaves $19.95 for the record company.

    Lets say Eminem sold only 5 million albums. Take 19.95 x's it by 5million and that is the money the label got. Yea, they have to pay to have CD's made, but they own that process.

    Also, artists pay for all their tours, promotions and various other things. They make no money from CD sales, they make money from the road.

    So, lets say Aftermath got $19.95 x 5 million = $99,750,000 then they pay for some stuff and back their artists, but that is from ONE artist. If its a big label like Sony, who owns Epic, Monument, Columbia and other ones.

    In the end, they WILL have the money to proscute ppl b/c they have so many artist bringing them so much money, it all equals out.

    If someone like Epic, who has a roster of at least 100 ppl. Say those 100 people sell 1 album that means the label could have made $1995, but if someone is dloading and not buying their shit, than they lose $19.95 for each CD that could have been sold if the buyer was unaware as to what was on the CD.

    Yes, most of us still go buy CD's, but how many people do you think are out there saving that $20 bucks they could have bought the CD with and bought a pack cd-r's and are burning 50 cd's for that price? I would say millions.
     
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    The more the merrier.
     
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    Does KaZaA run off a specific port number or can it vary? If not, ISP's could just write an ACL for now to block KaZaA. Seems simple enough.

    I woudn't have bought a3/4ths of my cd's if I hadn't had the choice to listen to them for free online. I wouldn't have bought Chevelle, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Trust Company, The Exies, Three Doors Down, both Good Charlottes, Audiovents, Our Lady Peace, or Stabbing Westward cd's in the last two months.
     
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    I believe all out going requests are made on port 80 (HTTP) but I am not sure. You can set the port for incoming connections. But your ISP doens't need to knowh what port you are using, the only have to monitor where you traffic is going.
     
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