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Tired of Being Poor

Discussion in 'Members' Lounge' started by |Chaz|, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. |Chaz|

    |Chaz| Well-Known Member VIP

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    Alright, commence a whining thread by yours truly. Feel free to bash or whatever.
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    I work 40 hours a week in a dead end job with a one-way ticket to nowhere. My job is physically demanding and after work I'm mostly exhausted. However, I do receive good benefits which keep me here. But I make a paltry $10.71 before Uncle Scrooge takes his share. I live with my Dad and his girlfriend and pay $300 a month in rent. At this moment, money isn't an issue I have toys and hobbies yes.

    But I want to have somewhere I can call my own. I fail to comprehend how people can afford to live off of $10.71 an hour without assistance. I by no means want to move out and be on welfare or food stamps, that would be hypocritical, I believe in supporting myself. And I do not want to live somewhere I have to worry about my car being stolen or getting beaten/robbed/broken into.

    I would quit my job and get loans and go to school full-time, but my Dad has made it clear that is not an option while I live under their roof and he will also not help me pay for school in any way shape or form.

    I know it shouldn't matter, but I'm tired of feeling like my parents are just always so disappointed in me. I'm doing the best I can with what my provided situation is. They for some reason think that I should be able to get a job that pays well, work 40+hours a week and then coordinate school and get straight A's. (Neither of them went to college). My Dad was in the Marines for 13 years, and had a friend who got him a job at Boeing and is now making upwards of $100k after 15 years there (Got there by working hard). My parents got divorced, he now pays the majority to my Mom who continues living her lavish lifestyle with no intentions of getting a job to support herself.

    It just seems like a vicious cycle, going to school now is hard because all of the classes that I need to take are offered in the morning, which is when I work.

    I'm really just at ends with myself. I don't know what to do and I feel helpless and worthless.

    I wish there were a 12 step program to success.

    I'm sure there is a way to "Game the system." I've never been one to do it usually, but it seems like I have no other options at this point.

    Like I said, any and all criticism is fair game, I put this on a public forum. :flamesuiton:
     
  2. reckedracing

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    get a state or federal job
    awesome benefits, and retirement
    if i could go back i would have went in as soon as i got out of highschool
    i would already have 14 of my 25-30 years in

    you can try town garages to get a mechanic job, maybe corrections officer, maybe post office, take a part time job and hope to get full time if you work hard
    post office is going under so i might use that as an absolute last resort

    your other option would be to try and get in a union, iron workers, electric, carpenters, etc
    benefits and retirement
    i would advise not to waste time and money in college at this point, especially if you can only go part time
    you will have huge loans and debt to pay off and it will just push back your retirement

    unless you have a true desire to succeed and bust your ass when you get that degree it won't change much for you

    look at your state's website for job opportunities and take any civil service exam you can qualify for
    check with local unions for apprentice programs etc
    and read the millionare next door
    learn and skill and then work for yourself and save as much as you can
     
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  3. DarkHand

    DarkHand Senior Member VIP

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    EDIT: There's really no formatting to this post... It's just stream on consciousness stuff. :)

    I've only got 1 year of college myself, looking back I would have studied harder and gone right after high school as well.

    But at the same time, college degrees provide less and less of an advantage today (but at the same-same time some employers won't even look at you without a degree. Funny how that works.).

    I absolutely lucked out, there's no other way to put it. A friend of my Mom and her 3 children had nowhere to go and came to live with us for 8 months about 10 years ago. I couldn't take it at the time, but she changed my life forever since she found me the job I still have today. Started it at 22 with little direction in life, worked my way up and am still working there 9 years later. I even found my wife through friends and co-workers that I would never have known otherwise. It's not really that much but I'm making about $52k before taxes now and have 9 years experience to put on the resume. Yes employers will still look at folks with a degree first but 9 years experience in one field in one job is nothing to sneeze at either. The wife just hit $70k but that's with a 4 year degree in accounting, a cpa and a hell of a lot more work than I put into my job.

    My only current regret is that I didn't take much advantage of my work's tuition reimbursement options... Even taking one class at a time, after 9 damn years I could have had my degree AND the experience by now.

    So back on topic. The US downplays vocational schools which is the dumbest thing ever. Learning to be a welder or a plumber or a carpenter should be looked at with respect. Don't leave those options out because they don't seem as glamorous... They often earn more than the college degree office jobs do and the schooling won't bankrupt you as badly.
     
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  4. Briansol

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    There's plenty of money to be made out there without a degree, but most of it is hard, physical work. Sound slike you are doing that already. But, for $10 an hour. And you're right, you're not going to get far on what is basically min wage out there. Sorry, $80 a week more than min wage. :/

    I moved out on my own when I was making 40k ($20/hr) but I also had my sti payment (530) at the time. So, Probably around the 16 /hr point is where i could have made it with a paid-for civic/etc.
    money wasn't free flowing by any means, but I had what I needed.

    That was also almost 10 years ago... and inflation has kicked in quite a bit since. Gas was $2 a gallon then and the dollar went a bit further than it does now. So, I would say somewhere around 40k is a good safe point where you can get a condo or something for about 1200 a month with hoa fees. IIRC i was taking home about 2k a month on that 40k with 1200 out the door to mortgage/hoa, a couple hundred more towards bills/utils, i still had a couple hundred left over to live. And that was in a 6% loan. You can get 3.5 these days. So, you free up another 200 ish a month probably.


    If you got the g/f to move in with you and split some bills (and assuming she's not going to leave you mid way, etc) you can probably get out and live around 15-16/hr without too much issue.


    What are you good at? do you have any skills?
    Do you have a community college in town? They offer a lot of cheap ($300) short (1 day) programs for certification in stuff like EMT basic. You can take 2 classes and be part of an ambulance crew.

    If health care isn't your thing, there's all kinda of other short classes like this to cert in something. Find job openings in your area, see what certs/classes exist, and if all else fails, become a male gigilo.
     
  5. Bob Vila

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    OK, so what? Get the proper loans to help pay for living expenses while you get an education. If you want to better your life you have to make sacrifices. Hard work, proper planning and the right attitude will help you succeed.

    Up until 20 I was working mostly fly by night jobs, just making money with a glimmer of hope getting into the IT industry. I did enough college work to get a job as a web designer for a bit and then had an opportunity to join a large insurance company at the bottom rung of the later. I worked hard, showed my bosses what I was capable of and got put on a multi-million dollar project as a business analyst making 42k a year. I met my wife through work and kept busting ass with a few promotions here or there, wanted to get into Project Management and based on my hard work, the company paid for a full courseload in Project Management. Got that under my belt then left the company to move up and have been doing so for the past few years. I make great money for what I do, I love what I do and its attributed to hard work and focus. I now have a family, son, house and am going to school full-time at nights to finish my bachelors degree. After the degree comes the MBA as I'm not done moving up the ladder.

    So again, while it may feel like you're stuck, you gotta make sacrifices in life to ultimately better your life. Put in the extra effort, make tough decisions. It'll pay off in the end.
     
  6. jamesA

    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    I was just thinking about this today. Being poor is annoying. I'm making it by just fine, but I don't have a whole lot of extra cash in case the furnace blows up. I live on a busy highway that sees at least 1300 cars a day. I thought about asking companies if they'd like to advertise in my yard for short periods of time, like a newspaper sells advertising. Not sure if it's legal for a private residence to do this or not though.
     
  7. Briansol

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    1300 cars a day is a busy highway?

    That's the Dunkin Donuts drive through stats per hour here. lol



    Like Steve said, there are options to pay your rent/etc on top of the cost of books/school. But, you better do something that matters if you're planning to finance 4 years of your life + the school. You'll be entering the world full of debt and have the next 20 years of that looming over your shoulders.
    Like, getting an MBA in basket weaving is f'ing stupid. It won't ever get you anywhere.

    So, once again I ask, what do you WANT to do? It can be broad. But if you can't answer it, i wouldn't spend a dime on school. Lord knows I wasted a ton of money by not knowing what I wanted to do in school, and ended up at the wrong place for what I eventually decided I wanted to do.... which led to me dropping out. Had I had a decent guidance counsler who actually guided me and stuff, I might actually hold a degree today.

    Instead, I worked hard and learned a ton of stuff on my own via the internet. I did a 9 month tech school, my internship hired me outright, and i've been moving up and up ever since and have more than doubled my salary that I started at 10 years ago.
     
  8. jamesA

    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    I'm not sure what the numbers are, but last I knew it was a minimum of 1300.
     
  9. Bob Vila

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    your local zoning laws should prevent this, otherwise you'd see millions of signs littering the streets. The best you could do is get a permit but even then, that's really only for commercially zoned property. The lone exceptions are political ads. Go figure.
     
  10. B16

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    Exactly. Pick a degree for a craft that is in demand. Want to write java code? Here in the silicon valley we're hiring developers like crazy. But you need a 4 year computer science degree. Internships start you off at $30 an hour while you're still in school for summer work.

    Unfortunately you don't have the opportunity to dick around in college to figure out what you like (like I did). You have to pick it, stick to it no matter what and learn to love it.
     
  11. BigJ

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    Join a union man. Find a trade you like and go that way. My friends that work at boeing since we got out of high school are doing quite well now. $1 a year adds up. Plus amazing benefits.

    Join a service. Go to school. I wish I did that route. I wouldn't have debt and I'd of been an officer.

    Start at a company that invests in your future. My company pays for a lot of school and stuff, but only half now. Used to be 100%. Our factory jobs are good, more than you make now, lots more, and invest in your future.

    Find something you like, and do it better.

    Learn a trade and be the best at it. My dad started siding houses when he was 19. At 21 he quit his boss, started his own company, put his ladders on the roof of his car for a year. Then got a second client. And a 3rd. He's been in business for himself for 28 years and does pretty good. Has no boss.

    I have a million other stories like this. I got lucky with a roommate that helped me get my job. It isn't a dream job, but there are shit ton of doors that opened once I got some experience in combination to my management degree. I actually get linkedin messages from recruiters now.
     
  12. chadcharb

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    if your local city governments hire summer help do that. i work for a city parks dept as a lead but started at 18 as a summer employee. i dont know about were you are but we pay ours very well for what they do. they work 9 mo and have 3 mo off but can collect unemployment in that 3 mo. they start around 16/hr and go up from there. even the seasonals are union here to.

    you live in wa right? if you want some contact info hit me with a pm
     
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    Why not get a job at Boeing? You can start as an assembler for more then your making now, with no aerospace experience. Assemblers don't go through strikes like the machinist. Boeing is in the middle of a contract so you can expect to keep your job a while. If you do get laid off, you can take that experience and get jobs further down the supply chain.

    With no frills, you should be able to support yourself on about $16 an hour.
     
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    Volunteer at some places too if you can find the time. Networking helps a lot. Show folks your willing to work for zero pay and they be more inclined to pay you if something comes open.
     
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    Yeah, don't do anything here until I weigh in.

    this is all just ... terrible.
     
  16. invisibledemon

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    where are you guys getting this $16/hr to even function number?

    im making 11.50 at one part time job, and 8.50 at the other part time job and am making enough to get by.
    not living a high life or anything, but im in one of the best (read expensive) cities in my state, and its just me paying bills and working now, the wife had to stop.
    if you have your priorities in check, then you can move out on much less than $16/hr and still be able to go out every once in a while.
     
  17. Celerity

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    I'm going to handle this in two ways. First, the Celerity Think-Tank translation engine will translate terms from "Monkey" to "holy fuck, that's the clearest thing I've ever heard." Second, some sort of solution.

    CTT:
    "I work 40 hours a week in a dead end job" = "I'm an idiot. Everyone knows it, because I have declared it, time and time again. No one thinks I deserve any more than this, least of all - Me. Yet here I go, a calf to the slaughter, every week like a retard because I think something will get better for no reason at all. Do not employ me. Do not take me seriously.

    SSS:
    Drop this shit. All of it. What you make is what you're worth. And I don't even know what you do. But either way, you're a calf on a very small farm. And you're not in a cage like the chickens, but you're still behind a fence. The fence is open, but you're not going because, for some reason, you think the world outside of the fence is worse than what's in it. You're a prisoner by your own design, and by your own choice.

    CTT:
    I want something. And no one has said I can't have it. Well, except me. I said i couldn't have it. You see, I like to complain about horrible things that I - you guessed it - Invented ! I've already set myself up for failure. And I do this all the time. So I stopped even trying.

    SSS:
    See what you did there ? You wanted, for a moment, to do something. Then you immediately shot yourself in the foot by setting up some benchmark you either can't make, or "won't make". It's total shit. The benchmark was created by you, and then you made up some stupid "Oh, but I'm BETTER than that", while the little voice in the back of your head was saying "My god. did my penis just go up inside of my groin?" Man up. Move somewhere that sucks. I lived in downtown Browntown more often than not. I mean, these places... If god gave the earth an enema, he would stick the tube in my apartment buildings. Step by the porch monkeys on the front stoop and learn to walk tall. You'll chase mice out of your shirt sleeves, you'll learn the different breeds of cockroaches and you'll learn how to make a tasty pea-soup. Apparently, you think it's below you. As I've demonstrated - in the CTT in typical CTT response times (approximately 3.2 seconds) - You're not !


    CTT:
    I have some toys and money and stuff. But I would give all of this away to rely on some sort of magical formula that somehow quitting that job and assuming that the gubmint will give me money to go to school... For no reason. My dad sees the folly in this. I hate him.

    SSS:
    You'll never see school. Because you don't even know what you want to go to school for. That's like getting all pissed off at yourself because you "want a job. Any job" and then you don't get one. That's because you don't even know what you're looking for. Like hunting, coming home with nothing, because you never once mentioned what you were hunting for. Plenty of animals crossed your path, but you didn't take them down because you couldn't even decide which you wanted. Sound about right ? Of course it does. Don't worry though. You're not alone. You an 99% of everyone else who "can't find the right girl/job/house/haircut" . You'll consider suicide because you "just can't seem to win", without realising that you can't seem to win, because you haven't identified what game you want to play. The rules will constantly change, and the score won't be understood. You can play Tennis with a ping-pong paddle, but god help you to understand how the fucked up scoring works. Only Russians can do that shit.

    CTT:
    I ♥ pity. I also think I'm getting how the CTT works.

    SSS:
    More of the same shit here, really. you've done a combo of everything in this paragraph. Setting up stupid goals that you can't reach, establishing how AWESOMELY RIGHT you are, even though you're not. (I know it shouldn't matter). Like anyone is going to say that. I guess if they do, you've prepared an answer. Normally, not a big deal. But the way that you communicate is totally, like, stupid like and like you should, you know, like, monkey.

    Of course you can't solve your problems. You can't even state your problems. I'm not saying you're an idiot, but I can tell that you're ready to dangle from the shower by a rope soon. And all I can really tell you is that you keep setting up situations that you can't win, and problems that you can't solve, and questions you can't answer. No one else is doing this, you're doing this. No one else can "lift the veil", so to speak. No one else can help you here, because they didn't set you up the bomb, you did.

    Read that again now.
     
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    Cost of living and pay rate aren't the same every where. You gotta take that into account. Being as I live about 2 hours from Chaz, and lived on my own at $16 dollars an hour, I know that to be true for him as well.

    I should say, that's $16 an hour, in a 40 hour week. Other factors would change that, obviously.
     
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    If your Dad is making upwards of $100k, why the hell are you paying him rent? EDIT: reading>me. but still, really?

    If I were you, I'd sit down with your Dad and tell him how you're feeling about your situation. Strike up a deal. You go to school, he doesn't charge rent so long as you maintain grades. If he wants money because your girlfriend is staying with you, kick her out. No brainer. This is your life, time to take control and do something with it.

    $300/month goes a long way at a community college. I spent nearly four years at a community college just taking classes part time. It was right around $1,200 per quarter.

    Even if you decide to do a trade of some sort (as mentioned above) it is better than what you're doing now. I was in a similar situation during my 1st year at community college. I worked 40 hrs/week and went to school full time. Every part of me wanted to quit school and just work. I didn't get much sleep, and I didn't have time or money for much of anything, but I knew I wanted more than to stack fucking cans at Pepsi for the rest of my life. I'm very mechanically inclined, and love Calculus and Physics, so I chose Mech. Engineering. Figure out what you want, and your current situation will be motivation to make that goal happen.

    Don't get your hopes up for help and assistance, YOU have to make this happen.
     
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    End of thread.

    My $.02. You are young and like most of the other people your age, you are lazy. I dont mean physically lazy, I mean mentally. No one is going to give you the good life. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and get out there and work harder. If your job sucks, find a new one. If you are having a hard time in school because you work too much, then only take one class a semester. Move out and get a roommate or two. That should make it affordable on your current wages.
     
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