Ahhh, the conservatives... they never cease to amaze me.

[Cashizslick]

Patriotism isn't the problem. It's the attitude of "learn to like it or get out" that's the problem.

Learn to like what?

The fact that America is the greatest country ever? If you dont think so, then do us both a favor and move. Its that simple.

 

[Battle Pope]

I'm not saying it isn't. We have freedoms here that other people could only wish for, but YOU are impeding on MY freedoms by saying "think like me or get out". I would thank you to kindly cease doing so.

And you still don't see what I'm trying to point out here do you?

 

[reikoshea]

wow...thats all i can say.

 

[Sabz5150]

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Patriotism isn't the problem. It's the attitude of "learn to like it or get out" that's the problem.

Learn to like what?

The fact that America is the greatest country ever? If you dont think so, then do us both a favor and move. Its that simple.

Lewis Black put it best.

"I was amazed to realize that we are the only country that tells the world, on a nearly constant basis, that we are the greatest country on earth. And that is a little fuckin' obnoxious. And I know it's obnoxious, because if you were in an office and there was someone there that came in every day and said "I'M THE GREATEST FUCKER HERE! AND YOU SNIVELING SHITS WOULD DIE WITHOUT ME AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!" I can guarantee, that by the end of the week, you'd have killed him. And eaten him... just to try to possess his power. The amazing thing is there are people who have never left this country who talk about the fact that we're the greatest country on earth. HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THAT?! Because you don't know! If you haven't left here, you don't know! There are countries that may be giving shit away every day! Canada's one of those countries. You know what they give away? HEALTH INSURANCE!!!"

Continuing on. If you wish to deny me my constutional right to say or believe whatever I want, then YOU can leave MY country!

 

[totalburnout]

Tell me where in the Constitution or any legal document governing government policy that states that the government is responsible for providing social reform programs and essentially giving handouts to its people.


There's nothing that will state this fact. It may be YOUR OPINION that the government is morally obligated to provide these reforms and transfer payment (i.e., welfare checks, etc., etc. any hand out) but the law does not stand behind you in your opinion.

Personally I don't feel we should allow any people, ANYWHERE, to suffer if its at all possible but thats in an ideal world. We don't live in an ideal world.


With these facts in mind, don't bite the hand that feeds you. The government isn't REQUIRED to provide these reforms or hand outs, so be grateful when they are received. Transfer payments are GIFTS not obligations.

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Lewis Black put it best.

"There are countries that may be giving shit away every day! Canada's one of those countries. You know what they give away? HEALTH INSURANCE!!!"

So being given things rather than earning them is the yard stick by which a government should be measured? You're 9/10ths communist.

I won't read through the rest of the thread because I'll just wind up getting into a heated debate with someone and cause yet more drama but it is beyond me how anyone could possibly piss and moan about not being given hand outs; get off your ass and earn them, this is a capitalist society not socialistic!

For the record, in my opinion your ignorance has sealed your ability to expand and learn into a fraction of what your are truly capable of becoming. When you look at something from the perspective of "us" against "THEM", then you have limited your possibilites. Political afflitiation should have zero influence on each individual situation, rather than labeling yourself as a democrat or liberal across the board. An ecclectic point of view where you combine the favorable points from each and every party seems to be far more beneficial than conforming to one group.

 

[reikoshea]

umm...do you know how much FICA takes out of a canadian's check...guess why they have federally supported health insurance?

 

[confusatron]

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/27/con...s.ap/index.html

Paying for Katrina how? Cutting student loan subsidies, child support enforcement, Medicaid, food stamps and farm subsidies.

You'd think that maybe, just maybe, these top 1%'ers could live without their tax cuts for a little while in order to help out the needy. Nope, cut social programs, their tax cuts are more important!

Welp, you voted for him... enjoy!

They've been cutting aid to college students since he took office in 2001. It's a shame, but that is conservative politics in a nutshell. Cut aid to those who need it most, and give more money to the wealthy who don't really need it. And don't anyone even try to say "Liberals this, Liberals that" because these are widely publicized cuts that have been made over the past 5 years, and no amount of head shaking will make the facts go away.

Wanna know the fastest way to piss of a Conservative? Confront them with facts.

 

[reikoshea]

*claps*

I got the strangest looks from people when they denied to sign my "petition" at the mall...They said it was commie bull shit....it was the decleration of independence...just thought itd be nice to have the right to revolt gaurenteed.

 

[Sabz5150]

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Tell me where in the Constitution or any legal document governing government policy that states that the government is responsible for providing social reform programs and essentially giving handouts to its people.


There's nothing that will state this fact. It may be YOUR OPINION that the government is morally obligated to provide these reforms and transfer payment (i.e., welfare checks, etc., etc. any hand out) but the law does not stand behind you in your opinion.

Personally I don't feel we should allow any people, ANYWHERE, to suffer if its at all possible but thats in an ideal world. We don't live in an ideal world.


With these facts in mind, don't bite the hand that feeds you. The government isn't REQUIRED to provide these reforms or hand outs, so be grateful when they are received. Transfer payments are GIFTS not obligations.

This government is BY the people, FOR the people. The government's job is to look out for the people, whether that be helping out with social programs or protecting us abroad. The government isn't obliged to cut Richie RIch's taxes every chance it gets, but we see a lot of that happening, don't we?

So being given things rather than earning them is the yard stick by which a government should be measured? You're 9/10ths communist.

I won't read through the rest of the thread because I'll just wind up getting into a heated debate with someone and cause yet more drama but it is beyond me how anyone could possibly piss and moan about not being given hand outs; get off your ass and earn them, this is a capitalist society not socialistic!

For the record, in my opinion your ignorance has sealed your ability to expand and learn into a fraction of what your are truly capable of becoming. When you look at something from the perspective of "us" against "THEM", then you have limited your possibilites. Political afflitiation should have zero influence on each individual situation, rather than labeling yourself as a democrat or liberal across the board. An ecclectic point of view where you combine the favorable points from each and every party seems to be far more beneficial than conforming to one group.

I'm not pissing and moaning about receiving handouts... I don't receive any. The only "handout" I ever recieved was my unemployment compensation, and that I was due.

I don't see where in the Constitution that the upper class should benefit more at the cost of the poor. The rich are being GIVEN massive breaks. Over and over again. Oh, you're all for cutting funding for welfare and other social programs, but hooooooo-lee SHIT you don't want those tax cuts taken away. Oh and the horrible DEATH TAX is a big ol thorn in your side too, aint it?

Oh, you wanna play an US vs THEM game. Well, what do you call this War on Terror? Or should I quote Mr. Slick?

Either way you slice it, its us or them.

Wow, shot yerself in the foot there!

You are correct, this is most certainly a capalistic society. Enron, MCI, Halliburton, Adelphia, Tyco and many others have shown us just what happens when such a society goes unchecked. Corruption abound, fraud, embezzlement, laundering, what have you.

What we have is a classic Corporate State.

"Modern popular usage of the term is more pejorative, emphasizing the role of business corporations in government decision-making at the expense of the public. The power of business to affect government legislation through lobbying and other avenues of influence in order to promote their interests is usually seen as detrimental to those of the public. In this respect, corporatism may be characterized as an extreme form of regulatory capture, and is also termed corporatocracy. If there is substantial military-corporate collaboration it is often called militarism or the military-industrial complex."

Sound familiar? Lobbying (that's EVERYWHERE), role of business corporations in government decision making (Hallie no-bid contracts?).

You are aware of the political spectrum, correct? You know how it is laid out, correct?

No? Let me show you.

Give you ONE guess which way we are heading. I for one, don't like it. (Hint: Look how the RIGHT eventually winds up.)

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*claps*

I got the strangest looks from people when they denied to sign my "petition" at the mall...They said it was commie bull shit....it was the decleration of independence...just thought itd be nice to have the right to revolt gaurenteed.

Oh no no no...... Dissent = bad. Dissent = terrorist.

Hell, we could solve all our power problems by attaching generators to the corpses of our founding fathers who are spinning at unbelievable speeds in their graves.

 

[confusatron]

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Either way you slice it, its us or them.

If America has to fight (and thus, kill Islamic terrorists) to make sure WE live, then I'm all for it. If you think otherwise, then move -> the U.S . has enough anti-americans living here already.

You've got it backwards bud. The founders of this country protested, bitched, moaned, and finally started a revolution because they would not stand for what the government at the time was doing. And guess what? That means America the Beautiful was founded by <span style="color:#FF0000">protesters</span>. They even guaranteed all future generations their right to speak out against corruption and wrongdoing in the government by putting that little amendment about "Freedom of Speech" in the Constitution of these same United States of America that you speak so ignorantly of. Get your facts straight before you plunge into an argument, armed with nothing but a Bible.

And while you're at it, you yourself should move, since you don't believe in the principles set forth in the Constitution. You're more anti-american than any protester or critic.

 

[micah]

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They also believe that force is the answer to everything.

Non-violence never solved anything.

Tell that to this guy. He certainly believed peace was the answer.

"Blessed are the meek."

Our enemies in the middle east believe in throwing away their lives in order to serve allah . . . talking to them wont do a damn thing.

And God told Bush to invade Iraq. Seeing a parallel here?

EDIT: Damn, that's a big ol Jesus!

lol id dint read anything past this... are you fucking kidding me

sadam and gamorrah, flooding of the earth, crucification of christ, etc.....
the bible is FULL of wars and genocides and utter destruction and devastation done either in gods name or by gods own hand

 

[Sabz5150]

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lol id dint read anything past this... are you fucking kidding me

sadam and gamorrah, flooding of the earth, crucification of christ, etc.....
the bible is FULL of wars and genocides and utter destruction and devastation done either in gods name or by gods own hand

All true. However Jesus himself was a peaceful man. He always took the nonviolent route. He did not fight even when he was being led to his own death.

Oh yeah, the Bible is full of death and destruction. I will be the first to agree with you 110%

 

[micah]

im not sure, but i believe the beating of jesus and him being crucified doesnt fall into the "non violent" category.
sure he might not have wanted it, according to him praying and asking god if there was any other way, but he went along with it. implying that he realised that this, gruesome horrific utterly violent way, was the only way.

 

[SlushboxTeggy]

read the koran. it does not advocate suicide for a cause, killing of christians, or hatred of others.

inform yourself before yu put your foot in your mouth.

 

[corvetteguy]

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whelp ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hwlp, wlp)
n.
A young offspring of a mammal, such as a dog or wolf.

A child; a youth.
An impudent young fellow.

A tooth of a sprocket wheel.
Nautical. Any of the ridges on the barrel of a windlass or capstan.

v. whelped, whelp·ing, whelps
v. intr.
To give birth to whelps or a whelp.

v. tr.
To give birth to (whelps or a whelp).


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[Middle English, from Old English hwelp.]
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


Main Entry: 2whelp
Function: transitive verb
: to give birth to —used of various carnivores and especially the dog whelp intransitive senses
: to bring forth young
Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.


Main Entry: 1whelp
Pronunciation: 'hwelp, 'welp
Function: noun
: one of the young of various carnivorous mammals and especially of the dog
Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.


whelp
n : young of any of various canines such as a dog or wolf [syn: pup] v : birth; "the dog whelped" [syn: pup]
Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

The word "Whelp" cannot be used to start a fucking sentence. You guys are all fucking retarded when it comes to "welp" and "whelp" STOP IT! IT MAKES YOU LOOK IGNORANT.

OMFG....


phyregod: Increasing the intelligence of the hondaswap community, one post at a time.

When did Internet lingo become english 101? In a world where we type Haxor and Kittah, whelp seems very reasonable to use

 

[corvetteguy]

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read the koran. it does not advocate suicide for a cause, killing of christians, or hatred of others.

inform yourself before yu put your foot in your mouth.

Like the bible, its the way people Interpret the book....

Both talk of evil, and if one nut starts saying that Americans are the evil the Quran speaks of, then the rest of the nuts will follow....

 

[Cashizslick]

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YOU are impeding on MY freedoms by saying "think like me or get out".

Because i have the freedom to do so and you have the freedom to move if you dont like it (not trying to start shit with you, just making a general point).

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"Freedom of Speech" . . . .

And while you're at it, you yourself should move, since you don't believe in the principles set forth in the Constitution. You're more anti-american than any protester or critic.

Exactly, Freedom of Speech.


I have the freedom to voice my opinion just as you do. My opinion, is that you dont know what the hell you are talking about and need to read my posts. When did I attack anything in the Constitution?

Reading > You

 

[Cashizslick]

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read the koran. it does not advocate suicide for a cause, killing of christians, or hatred of others.

inform yourself before yu put your foot in your mouth.

I think you may have done just that.

(Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and
strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in
the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."

(Koran 22: 19-22) "b
But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them
are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

Sounds like some pretty powerfull hatred to me. Just in case you have not actually read the Koran, it CLEARLY advocates the destruction of Unbelievers (Christians, Jews, Buddists, Hindu's, and other Non-Muslims)

(Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

Its like i said before.

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Either way you slice it, its us or them.

If America has to fight (and thus, kill Islamic terrorists) to make sure WE live, then I'm all for it. If you think otherwise, then move -> the U.S . has enough anti-americans living here already.

 

[reckedracing]

It is our God given right to defend ourselves.

#1 problem with your average american...

iraq was an OFFENSIVE war, not a defensive one...
that places us with all the other offensive nations through time...
and none of them survived in all their glory...

 

[reikoshea]

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It is our God given right to defend ourselves.

#1 problem with your average american...

iraq was an OFFENSIVE war, not a defensive one...
that places us with all the other offensive nations through time...
and none of them survived in all their glory...

Thats the strange thing. Until you said that, i never realized it. I guess that might be why i have a problem with it.