Cars to have Manditory "Black Boxes"

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Cashizslick

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Sweeeeet. Now all cars are going to get gps trackable black boxes by the end of the year.

Autos Insider | U.S. to propose mandatory vehicle 'black boxes' | The Detroit News

The U.S. Transportation Department said today it will propose making vehicle "black boxes" mandatory in all vehicles by the end of the year.

The department's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has long considered whether to make black boxes, officially called event data recorders, or EDRs, mandatory. They collect data about the seconds leading up to a crash and can help investigators determine the cause.

Last year, Congress considered requiring EDRs in all vehicles. NHTSA Administrator David Strickland told Congress the agency was studying the issue.

The plan was included in a 197-page Transportation Department regulatory reform proposal released by the White House this morning.

"NHTSA plans to propose mandatory EDRs in all passenger vehicles in 2011," the Transportation Department said in the report.

In a separate agency document posted on its website, NHTSA said it is also working on a proposal "for future enhancements to (EDRs) capabilities and applicability."

But the agency said it hasn't decided whether to require EDRs in heavy-duty vehicles.

Most automobiles already have the devices. NHTSA estimated that about 64 percent of 2005 model passenger vehicles had the devices. Many major automakers already include them all vehicles, including General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co., Toyota Motor Corp. and Mazda Motor Co.

In August 2006, NHTSA issued a rule setting standards for EDR data collection.

The rule, which takes effect in the 2013 model year, standardizes the information EDRs collect and makes retrieving the data easier. Devices must record 15 data elements, including vehicle deceleration, in specific formats.

Different automakers collect different data. In 2009, not all Toyota EDRs recorded both pre- and post-crash data. By the end of last year, all Toyota and Lexus vehicles included EDRs that can record both.

In May 2010, the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, the trade association GM, Ford, Chrysler Group LLC, Toyota and eight other automakers, endorsed making EDRs mandatory in all vehicles, but expressed concerns that some in Congress wanted more elaborate and expensive ones than are available.

The devices have been in use for about 20 years.

GM began widely installing the predecessor version of today's event data recorders in vehicles in the 1990 model year, and they became standard equipment in light duty vehicles in the 1995 model year.
 

reckedracing

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theoretically - we are spending money on this so they can better investigate and determine the cause of an accident...

unofficially, its just another way to track us and pin us to crimes we may have, or may have not committed /tinfoilhat
 

99sidude

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Just more ways your government is making cars more expensive.

-Soon ALL cars will be required to have a backup camera. Camera + monitor +circuitry&controls = $$$
-The average new car has over $1000 in precious metals for the catalytic converters. That is the automaker's cost.
-Goverment comes up with new crash test modes every year. Latest are roof crush (simulate falling off a brige and landing on roof), and offset pole (sliding sideways into tree at high speed). Everyone wants that "5 Star" rating, so cars coming out will have pounds and pounds of extra steel. That is good for cost and FE.... A "5 Star" rated car 4 years ago would not meet the latest min. allowable crash regulations...

Let darwin do his work

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i didnt see anything about GPS tracking?

and since its already in use in some forms in a lot of cars, and probably just records 30-60s of data and just keeps overwriting itself with the newest data. doesnt really seem like a big deal IMO.

but i am against the "automation" of some aspects of cars. i dont want a car that drives itself. i dont want a car that takes the fun and control away from the driver.
 

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Just more ways your government is making cars more expensive.

-Soon ALL cars will be required to have a backup camera. Camera + monitor +circuitry&controls = $$$
-The average new car has over $1000 in precious metals for the catalytic converters. That is the automaker's cost.
-Goverment comes up with new crash test modes every year. Latest are roof crush (simulate falling off a brige and landing on roof), and offset pole (sliding sideways into tree at high speed). Everyone wants that "5 Star" rating, so cars coming out will have pounds and pounds of extra steel. That is good for cost and FE.... A "5 Star" rated car 4 years ago would not meet the latest min. allowable crash regulations...

Let darwin do his work

/rant


i approve this post, 100%


i didnt see anything about GPS tracking?

and since its already in use in some forms in a lot of cars, and probably just records 30-60s of data and just keeps overwriting itself with the newest data. doesnt really seem like a big deal IMO.

but i am against the "automation" of some aspects of cars. i dont want a car that drives itself. i dont want a car that takes the fun and control away from the driver.

we are becoming the minority, most people see driving as an inconvenient daily task.


personally, i think we should go back to the standards of the pre 90's

want to be safe? dont crash. somebody else hit you? tough, thats part of the game.
 

Cashizslick

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i didnt see anything about GPS tracking?

Vehicle velocity is one of the main things these boxes are going to look out for.

If the boxes dont have GPS initially, they soon will. Here’s why:

1.) Velocity can be determined by the vehicle’s spedo, however determining it via GPS is more accurate.
2.) If the box is ejected from the vehicle, it can easily be found with GPS.
3.) The government already has GPS in your phone but not everybody brings their phone with them. Your car is next on their list. After they get your car, its your body they’ll be after . . . (this will probably take a while).
 

invisibledemon

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3.) The government already has GPS in your phone but not everybody brings their phone with them. Your car is next on their list. After they get your car, its your body they’ll be after . . . (this will probably take a while).


not really, all they have to do is put out a scare tactic for everybody to get in line for a "immunization" and put a small microchip in there and say the pain was from the huge needle going in your ass.

Measles Outbreak

or drop one in during a surgery.

and then, start putting that shit in right after birth when the doctors have the baby away from the parents already. wouldnt take long for everybody to get one without knowing it.
 

Cashizslick

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I think its a stretch to believe that we all are chipped and nobody knows it.

/ot
 

Cashizslick

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Having people do something voluntarily is easier than forcing them to do it. The way to get people to do something is to make it look like a good idea.

People voluntarily put all their personal information into a database because they think its a good idea (social networking). They are about to give google all their financial info because it also looks like a good idea (smartphone nfc pmt scheme). Same with these boxes. They will be pitched to the public as a great idea that saves lives and proves innocence during an accident.
 

Briansol

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The trick is to hide your black box when you crash so the FAA can spend 10 months looking for it at sea :ph34r:
 

EGProject

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I think its more to standardize the data and how to read it than to put us-gov regulation boxes in every car. However, I do see someone coming up with the genius plan that if you keep an actual "black box" in your car, you pay less for insurance/taxes. But that opens the door for big brother and mileage taxation.
 

Matts96HB

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yeah, and mileage taxation has already been in discussion, has it not?
the only positive i can see from this is locating a car after it has been stolen.
however; youd need some police that are interested in more than meeting their traffic violation quota for the month in order for this to be an effective means of recovering a stolen vehicle before it is damaged.
 
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