I cant stand...

[klyph]

If they are getting paid the same as me, why should I do the extra work?

Pride? Ethics?

Nevermind, nobody gives a shit about those anymore.

 

[95b16coupe]

If everyone got paid the same, I would be on my cell and out back smoking too. If they are getting paid the same as me, why should I do the extra work?

you're right, and those people should be fucking fired.

also, i'll stop eating somewhere if the service sucks. tip or no tip, if i get pissed off they wont get my money either way. if the servcie is good, they get my money.

 

[Drake]

Pride? Ethics?

Nevermind, nobody gives a shit about those anymore.

Werd

 

[UNDR8D]

because i shouldn't be forced to pay extra for an item simply to have it delivered to me. i already said that i would be happy to pay a flat rate for solid service. does a taxi driver DESERVE extra money for doing his job? not really. Does a bartender DESERVE an extra dollar for using a bottle opener to pop the top? no. but society feels inclined to tip because they get fucked on wages.

But we've established that either way you are going to pay extra for it. Either YOU pay the server, or the restaurant does. It's that simple.

i say end the tipping battle and just pay the people a better hourly wage.

Which would in turn be reflected in the price of your burger. Do you think a business is not going to recover those costs. And if you don't tip, you will ultimately spend MORE money...?

Can i skip the tip if i go back and pick it up myself?

Sure you can...it's a successful concept. Examples of this concept include McDonald's and Burger King.

Thats fucking horse shit. Some of the best service I have ever had wasn't tip based, nor commission based. however, the WORST service i have ever had WAS tip based.

What you are proposing is micro-socialism...Time has proven that individuals are selfish and if you remove incentives, it is reflected in the outcomes.

Show me. I call bullshit.

Maybe you should have done a quick search before you call bullshit...Here is an excerpt. The link is included also. This is one of the leading studies. What is described is the idea that people THINK that they are motivated by money, when in fact, it provides very little if any sustained motivation:

Herzberg's research proved that people will strive to achieve 'hygiene' needs because they they are unhappy without them, but once satisfied the effect soon wears off - satisfaction is temporary.

Then as now, poorly managed organisations fail to understand that people are not 'motivated' by addressing 'hygiene' needs. People are only truly motivated by enabling them to reach for and satisfy the factors that Herzberg identified as real motivators, such as achievement, advancement, development, etc., which represent a far deeper level of meaning and fulfilment.

Examples of Herzberg's 'hygiene' needs (or maintenance factors) in the workplace are:

policy
relationship with supervisor
work conditions
salary
company car
status
security
relationship with subordinates
personal life

Herzberg's research identified that true motivators were other completely different factors, notably:

achievement
recognition
work itself
responsibility
advancement

frederick herzberg motivational theory, motivators and hygiene factors, free herzberg diagrams

Everybody knows that you get better employees the more you pay.

Absolute utter fail. This is SOOOOO far from true.

look at large CEO's, they get paid more because it's competitive.

No. The competitive nature of a job or field has no bearing on compensation.

Pay is a function of several factors but ultimately, they get paid more because they generate more. Salary and compensation should be equivalent to the employee's marginal product. CEOs make decisions that produce billions of dollars of revenue. Therefore, the margin should be somewhere close to their multi-million dollar salaries.

If a CEO does not produce, he gets the axe. Which brings us back to one of the main points. Tying compensation to performance is an acceptable and consistent way of hedging motivation and guaranteeing results. It also weeds out people who can not keep up or perform to a given standard.

Steakhouses pay higher salaries because they want better servers, not just little Molly from the local high school.

No. They pay more BECAUSE they have better servers. They pay more because the people that they hire are more experienced and WORTH that much. It is not a filter.

You should read up on determinants of compensation, motivators, and labor economics in general. You lack understanding of very basic economic principles. Not to sound like a cunt but my graduate research was related to this topic so I'm not coming out of nowhere.

I'm sure I forgot something.

 

[phyregod]

I have no fucking clue where this thread has gone, but I would like to say that I, and a friend, were the last fuckers out of a restaurant today. I felt bad. I tipped double what I should have..

That is pretty much it. Continue the restaurant babble.

 

[SlushboxTeggy]

CEOs get large salaries and bonuses. The salary is for them working to the ability that is expected. The bonus is for the extra "service".

I work hard for more money. I also have pride and ethics. But they don't come into play when I'm serving some asshole his dinner. Give me money.

Now, 2 years from now when I'm a CPA that will be a different story. I will also most likely be salaried, making a lot more than I am now, and if I'm lucky, getting a bonus for going above and beyond.