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Saddam was in power because the US put him there to fight Iran. The Taliban was in power because the US put them there to fight Communism. Al-Qaida was trained, funded, and supported by the US to fight communism as well.
How can you even start to say that the average Muslim doesn't love his neighbor unless theyare also a Muslim??? Do you know any? Do they hate you because you are not a Muslim?
The "Christian" world only got relatively "safe" within the last 50 years or so, it may not have been dangerous to ones health to not be christian, but they had other ways of harming the non-believer.
In Iran you are not harmed or judged by the state becuase you are not Muslim, the only difference is you have to pay an extra tax that goes to the poor because charitable donations are required of a Muslim.
How can you judge Muslims as a whole for the actions of the vocal and crazy Minority, there are approximately 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world, how can you pass judgement on all of them?
As for Muslim culture, there isn't one. You are confusin Arab culture with Muslim, something that many "good" Arab Muslims do. Islam crosses cultures, ethnicites, and socio-economic boudaries and Muslims (according to the Qu'ran) are supposed to respect all regardless of any of those boundaries.
And on "good" translations, ask your local Mosque, they will have a prefered. I have read the translation by Abullah Yusef Ali, I choose it because his commentary concentrates on the sematics and the meanings rather then the theological discussions.
maybe they just don't report when christians fly thier planes into buildings... but i doubt it...
Both statements are not true. Ever heard of the IRA? They certainly are not Muslim. How about the Sandinistas? Want more recent groups, how about the Chechyens rebel groups? Bush doesn't label them terrorist, but they do all of the same things that these so called terrorist groups do, except claim the wrong faith. The next obvious flaw in your blanket statement is that Bush labels environmental groups like Green Peace as Terrorists, while some deserve the label, others get it because he doesn't like their ideology. With that said how can you trust this persons labels?I forgot my tinfoil hat at home today.
I'm not saying that all Muslims are terrorists... I am saying that all Terrorists are Muslim.
You think about that.
There was never a change of power. Osama bin-Ladin was in charge of al-Qaida when the US was providing them with money, weapons and supplies to fight the Russians. Had the people in charge of making that descision bothered to listen to anything Osama had said they would not have been so surprised when he turned his attention to the US when the Godless Soviets finally lost. The same story is true of the Taliban, there was no leadership change. The same people we supported gave supplies, man-power, and a safe meeting place to Osama and his crew. Hell, the same people that Bush invited to Texas to tour the place were the same that were removed from power in 2001.SSL0207 said:The US government formed groups that were not meant to hurt the US... they groups changed target (as any extremist would do) when the power changed hands... the US is not responsible for terrorism or torture by those groups...
But it is obviously not split by like that. If there are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims on Earth, and you know of a group that can't be larger than thousands, how can you make this claim? It is because all you see on the Media are the extremists, or people who are cast as extremists. You know why you don't see the moderate Muslims (which are actaully a strong majority)? Because they spend their days doing much the same that you do. They work, support themselves, possibly a family, they have hobbies, etc. You have noway of proving that there are more "terrorists" per captia in the Muslim population than any other.SSL0207 said:i'm not passing judgement on 1.6 billion muslims... i thought i made that clear... i'm passing judgement on muslim extremist terrorists that i believe to be in more abundance than the amount of extremist christians who perform acts of terrorism (ie, abortion clinic bombings)...
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again, for clarity of situation, I am in no way passing judgement on all arabs or muslims... i am just pointing out that acts in the name of religion (acts like the one in the link at the top of this thread) are to be found more common among muslims...
But there isn't a "Christian" culture. Do all Christians say the Rosery? Or have a Requiem played at a funeral, or believe in the Trinity, or use all of the same books in the Bible? No to all of these. There are one or two beliefs and ideas common to all christians (monotheism and that Jesus was very important to name a few) but there are so many small subgroups within the faith and then many more across other boundaries that you cannot claim there is an overall culture. The same is true of Islam.SSL0207 said:saying that there is no muslim culture as rediculous as saying that there is no christian culture... there is... why do muslim women cover themselves? because thier religion says so... why do they give to the poor? because thier religion says so... why do they live in groups? because they are of the same religion...
Islam is nowhere near peaceful, but neither is Christianity so we can see where the constant in this equation lies. Heck, Christians did all the live burnings and exterminated cultures because their God deemed it so..
But who, throughout time, has caused more damage and death? You do realize that more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason, correct?
The term "jihad" is often used to describe purely physical and military "holy war", though "physical" struggle, only makes up part of the broader meaning of the concept of jihad. The denotation is of a struggle, challenge, difficulty or (frequently) opposed effort, made either in accomplishment or as resistance. A person who engages in any form of jihad can be called a mujahid (in plural: mujahidin) (Arabic: striver, struggler), a term even more often applied to groups who practice armed struggle in the name of Islam by Islamic fundamentalists
i'm sorry. lets let hezbola fire missiles into cities, AND lets let them rearm themselves. via "humanitarian" linesWho is cleaning up after the Israeli invasion? Who is took care of all the civilians left without humanitarian aid while the Israelis wouldn't let anyone in (including strictly Humanitarian organizations sponsored by the UN). Hezbollah.
Well done, except without the region we would still be leeching people to draw out bad blood and making people vomit at certain times of the day to balance out their humors. There would be no mathematics as we know it.formby said:that whole region of the planet should be eliminated in the name of SCIENCE...lol
Well done, except without the region we would still be leeching people to draw out bad blood and making people vomit at certain times of the day to balance out their humors. There would be no mathematics as we know it.
... tell me one good thing that has come frome there lately.... other than terrorists and war.
religion is the root of all "evil"...
If you were farmiliar with the 'good book' you would see that most of the time, it was God's command for those people to die. There is not one instance in the Bible where an Evil deed is praised as being God's will.
Either by the Jews, a Prophet, or by His own hand, God's untainted will is demonstrated threwout the Bible.
my statement was that the percentage of Christians who act (act = the present tense, as in, i'm not talking about power hungry pope's 1250 years ago) as terrorists (ie doctor sniping, clinic bombing) and the number of people they have killed or harmed is significantly smaller than the percentage of Muslims who act as extremeists and the number of people who have been killed and harmed by them...
So... simply because their numbers are smaller (I like how you conveniently leave out the atrocities of the past) we should just let them be? Eh, they only kill a few people, it's alright.
Killing is killing. You can't let one group of religious terrorists run free while attacking another just because they are Christian Americans. That's just hypocrisy.
Because God commanded these people to die, it was all good? If you factor in what the Popes throughout history have decreed (remember, the Pope talks directly to God), then a LOT of bloodsheed has been commanded by God.
Radical Muslims say that Allah commands that the enemies of Islam (read: us) are to die, does that make it all good?
You can't have it both ways.
... tell me one good thing that has come frome there lately.... other than terrorists and war.