Obama already doing good, dow down nearly 500pts

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well, that was a bad buy. good thing i only dumped a grand into it. lol
 
yup.

They had a great dividend. That's what attracted me to it. 2.34 /share when shares were going for under $2. seemed like a good idea. I actually bought at the bottom of the first major dip if you look at the 1 year graph.

ehh, either way, they havne't failed. no point in selling. i'll sit on it, and see what happens. it's only a grand. I've blown more on strippers for less return :shrug2:
 
Write off if it does fail.


My dad had a few hundred shares of WM. huge write off I guess.
 
i love living according to a 250 year old document. ^_^

Unless I misread the sarcasm, that's pretty darn unamerican. It's got me so in a fluff that I had a whole bunch of stuff typed up that I erased because it's rambling and I kept getting sidetracked...

That document's the only thing keeping us from total socialism, dictatorship, or complete despotism. We owe it everything.
 
Unless I misread the sarcasm, that's pretty darn unamerican. It's got me so in a fluff that I had a whole bunch of stuff typed up that I erased because it's rambling and I kept getting sidetracked...

That document's the only thing keeping us from total socialism, dictatorship, or complete despotism. We owe it everything.

damn skippy.
 
legislators mess this country up not following the constitution. any 'misunderstandings' can be made clear if they read the federalist papers.

Yes! If the Constitution is the source code of the country, the Federalist papers are the code comments. :D
 
to anyone doubting the power of our constitution i'd like them to explain why the US is at the top. the constitution is freedom from the tyranny of government. govt is the problem. anarchy could work if not for military issues.
some bolivian said 'unequal playing field' roflmao. course hes living here now. like the europeans had it so much better than the incans. even now europe > peru/bolivia.
mass emigration is always a bad sign. while mass immagration is a good sign. more ppl come to US than rest of countries in the world combined. still reagan's 'shining city on a hill'.
'guns, germs, and steel' is a good book on why the europeans have fared so much better.
 
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Unless I misread the sarcasm, that's pretty darn unamerican. It's got me so in a fluff that I had a whole bunch of stuff typed up that I erased because it's rambling and I kept getting sidetracked...

That document's the only thing keeping us from total socialism, dictatorship, or complete despotism. We owe it everything.
i'm looking at the bill of rights mostly. 1791 was a long time ago. let me elaborate.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
freedom of speech and assembly, right to petition. ok, ok. we want to gather and protest british parliament. the thought was relevant, now hippy liberal douche bags and college know it alls use this to protest the government every chance they get. it pisses me to the utmost extent. yeah, you don't have to like our government, but you (americans) choose to live here. i hate when americans talk shit about our government, don't vote, and don't contribute and think they have rights. it's bullshit. people who say, "fuck bush, fuck the government, fuck america" should be given 30 seconds to leave the country or get shot on the spot.


A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
bearing arms in 1791 meant protecting your shit from the brits. now gun toting loonies use this to think it's ok to keep a stash of ak-47's in the closet. guns arent' the root of evil, stupid people are. a huge percentage of violence and crime involve guns. unfortunately there is no happy medium between your civil rights and going overboard.


No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

yep, this is relevant. how about we quarter our own troops. how about we take care of our own men. this is fucking horseshit. look at the vietnam vets. ostracised by their own people upon returning from war.


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I disagree with this. if for any reason you are suspected for any crimes, the government should be able to search your property, house, and person. for the safety and best welfare of the common person, this should be revised.

i'll lump the rest together.

No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
  • Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
how much money does this cost us? so many appeals it takes 20 years to put someone to the electric chair.

ugh, i can't even talk about this anymore. don't EVER test my patriotism. I think there are too many people who take these for "rights" this should be the bill of "priveleges". Privelege for living in the U.S. Those that many, many people died for, fought for. Unfortunately, the ones who take advantage of the rights are those who have contributed nothing to preserve them.
 
freedom of speech and assembly, right to petition. ok, ok. we want to gather and protest british parliament. the thought was relevant, now hippy liberal douche bags and college know it alls use this to protest the government every chance they get. it pisses me to the utmost extent. yeah, you don't have to like our government, but you (americans) choose to live here. i hate when americans talk shit about our government, don't vote, and don't contribute and think they have rights. it's bullshit. people who say, "fuck bush, fuck the government, fuck america" should be given 30 seconds to leave the country or get shot on the spot.

Speaking out against the government does not automaticly quailfy you as a hippy douche. A hippy douche is all organic btw. Yes people do go over board and rag on America just to run their mouth. But I will be critical when I feel we are going in the wrong direction and also voice my support when I think we are on the right track.

bearing arms in 1791 meant protecting your shit from the brits. now gun toting loonies use this to think it's ok to keep a stash of ak-47's in the closet. guns arent' the root of evil, stupid people are. a huge percentage of violence and crime involve guns. unfortunately there is no happy medium between your civil rights and going overboard.

So it is unreasonable to be prepared? Someone is not a loon if they own firearms, regardless of the quanity. It is true that violent crimes do involve the use of firearms but lets be honest, if people honestly cared about protecting life then we would have breathalyzers in every vehicle. There would be no parking outside of a bar, you would have to take a shuttle. Ask yourself this, on Sept. 10th 2001 did you think that the next day the Twin Towers would fall? Did you think that we would be involved in two wars in the middle east? How about having legislation passed that allows the government to spy on you and lets any Telco company that was involved off the hook because "they thought it was legal"? Now is it so crazy to think that maybe some day we may have to defend our own country agianst an aggressor? Either foriegn or domestic.

yep, this is relevant. how about we quarter our own troops. how about we take care of our own men. this is fucking horseshit. look at the vietnam vets. ostracised by their own people upon returning from war.
This was in regards to quartering active duty soilders on US soil. Which coincidently is happening now. There is a brigade that is going to be under NORCOM here pretty soon. They are training in "disaster and civil unrest response"......

I disagree with this. if for any reason you are suspected for any crimes, the government should be able to search your property, house, and person. for the safety and best welfare of the common person, this should be revised.

So on a whim the police should be allowed to enter your home for any reason what so ever? Pull you over for shits and giggles? Or maybe something as thin as your car having the same color of paint as someone else?


i'll lump the rest together.

how much money does this cost us? so many appeals it takes 20 years to put someone to the electric chair.

So it is a matter of money to keep an innocent man out of the chair? Look at how many innocent people have gone free because of DNA exonerating them 20 years after their conviction. Yes the process needs to be streamlined, but our judicial system is such a sham right now I have a hard time beiliving that every single person that gets convicted is truly guilty.

ugh, i can't even talk about this anymore. don't EVER test my patriotism. I think there are too many people who take these for "rights" this should be the bill of "priveleges". Privelege for living in the U.S. Those that many, many people died for, fought for. Unfortunately, the ones who take advantage of the rights are those who have contributed nothing to preserve them.

I dont think anyone is testing anyones patriotism here. These are not privileges, these are all things that any and all people should expect. But we should all have to serve during times of war to be able to exersize these rights? That does not make much sense to me, you can serve your country in hundreds of other ways. I have not served in our military but I do work in a postion where I am lucky enough to protect our veterans. Sure it is not as glamours as wearing a uniform and hardly anyone understands what I do, but I know that I am helping protect our countrys veterans and thats all that matters.
 
So it is a matter of money to keep an innocent man out of the chair? Look at how many innocent people have gone free because of DNA exonerating them 20 years after their conviction. Yes the process needs to be streamlined, but our judicial system is such a sham right now I have a hard time beiliving that every single person that gets convicted is truly guilty.
the odds are in our favor. i'm sure for every 100 that string out it claiming innocent, 1 might be. i'll take my chances putting them all to the chair after 2 trials, not 5.

Speaking out against the government does not automaticly quailfy you as a hippy douche. A hippy douche is all organic btw. Yes people do go over board and rag on America just to run their mouth. But I will be critical when I feel we are going in the wrong direction and also voice my support when I think we are on the right track.

didn't say that. i said speaking out and not contributing makes you a douche. vote, volunteer, or participate in the politics. don't just be an armchair quarterback or backseat driver. if you really want to do something, get in the drivers seat. don't sit and bitch from your college campus, which is probably sponsored by the government you are protesting.

So on a whim the police should be allowed to enter your home for any reason what so ever? Pull you over for shits and giggles? Or maybe something as thin as your car having the same color of paint as someone else?

hey, it happens already. i've had it happen to me. "oh, you have a white car and we are looking for someone with a white car". and i'm even caucasian.

i'll sacrifice my personal rights for security and safety. i might bitch about the lines at the airport, but i feel safer flying.

This was in regards to quartering active duty soilders on US soil. Which coincidently is happening now. There is a brigade that is going to be under NORCOM here pretty soon. They are training in "disaster and civil unrest response"......

the way i understand it was that the u.s. was forced to quarter british troops, that is why we are protected from it. correct me if i'm wrong.
 
i'll sacrifice my personal rights for security and safety. i might bitch about the lines at the airport, but i feel safer flying.

This mindset will lead you down a very steep slippery slope. The government does not always know what is "good for us". Not allowing someone to take finger nail clippers on a plane is not a drastic saftey measure. Then we have the woman who was forced by TSA agents to remover her nipple rings before she would be allowed to board. Stoping terrorists two tits a time!

I am not prepared to give law enforcement the green light to do whatever is needed to "keep us safe". I prefer them to actually do their jobs. I doubt very seriously that you would be okay with living in a police state. And the road to a police state starts with people saying "i'll sacrifice my personal rights for security and safety"....
 
This mindset will lead you down a very steep slippery slope. The government does not always know what is "good for us". Not allowing someone to take finger nail clippers on a plane is not a drastic saftey measure. Then we have the woman who was forced by TSA agents to remover her nipple rings before she would be allowed to board. Stoping terrorists two tits a time!

I am not prepared to give law enforcement the green light to do whatever is needed to "keep us safe". I prefer them to actually do their jobs. I doubt very seriously that you would be okay with living in a police state. And the road to a police state starts with people saying "i'll sacrifice my personal rights for security and safety"....

well, if we lived in a world with no gray areas, i'll take the more secure, government controlled world. i fear the anarchy and chaos that humans can inflict upon themselves if given free roam to do whatever.
 
well, if we lived in a world with no gray areas, i'll take the more secure, government controlled world. i fear the anarchy and chaos that humans can inflict upon themselves if given free roam to do whatever.

The more secure goverment controlled world would include you being told where to work, where to live, who your "wife" is, how many kids you can have, what to eat on and on. That is not living that is existing. Because as we all know, it is for the good of society......
 
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