quick EG suspension question
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92civicb18b1
The Trisexual
i cant help...
But I have to ask. Why a front sway bar?
Do you have massive oversteer from a huge Rear bar or something?
But I have to ask. Why a front sway bar?
Do you have massive oversteer from a huge Rear bar or something?
B18C1civic96
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yes 110% sure 94-01 teg suspension parts will fit on 92-95 eg's same chassis
Huh? Front bars are good.
i had a talk with mark daddio the other week at autox about suspension setups.
if you don't know who he is, he is the dude who won the madzda revitup series two years in a row. Regarded as the best FWD driver in america right now by many...
and i will say this- he doesn't use a single sway or strut tower bar on his cars. he believes in using a proper spring rate and toe setting to get the car to handel how he likes it- loose. very loose.
and loose is fast.
take that as you may.
IMO, if you are having problems with push/understeer, i think you need to learn how to drive the car better. my .02
i have 0 sways or strut bars on my autoX car too...
if you don't know who he is, he is the dude who won the madzda revitup series two years in a row. Regarded as the best FWD driver in america right now by many...
and i will say this- he doesn't use a single sway or strut tower bar on his cars. he believes in using a proper spring rate and toe setting to get the car to handel how he likes it- loose. very loose.
and loose is fast.
take that as you may.
IMO, if you are having problems with push/understeer, i think you need to learn how to drive the car better. my .02
i have 0 sways or strut bars on my autoX car too...
92civicb18b1
The Trisexual
Maybe I got my facts mixed up...
I thought a Front Sway bar would cause understeer. Maybe I'm just completely out there and have no idea what I'm talking about.
I know I wouldn't want one on my hatch if it does cause understeer, I think I have enough of that the way it is.
I thought a Front Sway bar would cause understeer. Maybe I'm just completely out there and have no idea what I'm talking about.
I know I wouldn't want one on my hatch if it does cause understeer, I think I have enough of that the way it is.
hybrid89
thistownsucks...
I have 0 bars on my car right now. I do have front are rear upper ITR strut bars and a bennen rear lower tie bar, but none of it is installed. I currently am running a complete GSR trailing arm, front spindal setup underneath w/ omni coilover (little stiif might go to tein's), steel braided lines and factory pads/rotors that are brand new. I would like to add the bars, but it is not that big of a deal. The car handles far, but has major understeer. once again, nothing has been setup yet. I got the underneath taken car of, and blew my head gasket before i could even get it aligned. Looking to judt get everything squared away at once now that work has slowed down.
Now would corner weighing the car help at all?
Now would corner weighing the car help at all?
92civicb18b1
The Trisexual
If you have understeer, a REAR bar will correct it much better.
You can go to whatever the JDM type R bar was and actually get oversteer...from what I've heard.
You can go to whatever the JDM type R bar was and actually get oversteer...from what I've heard.
again, if you're plowing, you're doing something wrong driving it-- not the car.. i get the ass end of my hatch loose at autox all the time. hell, i got a little too loose and drifted the thing through a gate at the last event... lol
if you plow alot, try trail breaking, and throttle lifting. trust me, you'll get it right around.
learn to go in slow and come out fast. if you go in hard, you'll plow. if you go in braking, you'll plow. brake before you turn, steady on the throttle through the corner, full after the apex on exit.
corner weighting will help balance the car, but still, it all comes down to the loose nut behind the wheel
if you plow alot, try trail breaking, and throttle lifting. trust me, you'll get it right around.
learn to go in slow and come out fast. if you go in hard, you'll plow. if you go in braking, you'll plow. brake before you turn, steady on the throttle through the corner, full after the apex on exit.
corner weighting will help balance the car, but still, it all comes down to the loose nut behind the wheel
Originally posted by pissedoffsol+Apr 8 2005, 10:47 AM-->
I can see not wanting to use sway bars on the car and getting all the spring/damper rates just right for perfect handling- but I would always recommend making the car's structure as stiff as possible so that all the movement is controlled by the suspension.
You can see it that way... but a front bar helps increase ultimate grip by keeping the car more level. You just generally don't want to put a huge front bar on without something in the rear to balance it out.
92dxhatch@Apr 8 2005, 02:53 PM
whats required in racing? (i.e. rollcage, five piont harness, that sort of thing)
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For autocross- nothing. All you need to bring is an SA95 or 2000 helmet and a car that's in good repair.
Ah, ok- I thought they were good for all of this year. I guess 95 was out at the beginning of this year, right?
M2000 and SA2000 should be all you need, plus your car.
M2000 and SA2000 should be all you need, plus your car.
92dxhatch
Senior Member
SWEET, i've always wanted to try it out, i play around the twisties all the time, especially on this one road out of town, there are 10, 20, 30mph corners follwed up with some strait aways. and i love commming out of the apex doing 40 plus on the 10mph turn, so much fun, but want to do it on a smoother track. i have a pretty good setup, but wanna learn it the right way, you know.
thanks
Go for it then- autocross is perfect for teaching you how to drive your car properly.