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[starts foaming at the mouth]
Wait till I get home, hippy
-> steve
Perhaps you've just purposely read past the many places where I've said "this is awesome". I even said it in the first reply to this topic.
Iraq is, in fact, a Sovereign State.
I'll be glad when our administration actually takes care of America, for once...imagine just how much good $1 billion a week would do for the AMERICAN people.
I can find Powell's transcriptions of making the case for war, WMDs and the imminent threat they posed to America was the primary reason for the pre-emptive strike that went against the United Nations, a body that only works when its members actually follow the charter. I also have a nifty little link to Rumsfeld lying on camera about this "war", I can see if I can dig that up for you too if you'd like. This was spun into liberating people from Saddam's rule. In fact, here.
Originally posted by Collin Powell
The United States will not and cannot run that risk to the American people. Leaving Saddam Hussein in possession of weapons of mass destruction for a few more months or years is not an option, not in a post-September 11th world.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/natio...ext_020503.html
I read about half and skimmed the rest,
I only saw the mentioning of human rights violations as further reason to remove Saddam, nothing about occupation and nation building. It's also worth mentioning that Powell is slightly less than proud about having said any of this, after finding out that wow, the U.N. Inspectors actually had been correct for all of those years. The fact is that the real evidence was completely ignored because it wasn't the answer we were looking for.
To end this long post, I'm sincerly glad that something good has come out of this clusterfuck but that doesn't mean that I'm going to forgive and forget what our own country has done.
Originally posted by Cartman
Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.
We attacked Iraq because Saddam Hussein stood behind a podium and declared on Iraqi television, and Al Jazeera, that he has the ability to attack the United States on US Soil - And he intends to carry it out - Allah Akbar. We did NOT occupy Iraq for WMDs. The WMDs are a UN brought up event, and it ended with the UN. If the US could invade legally for possessing WMD (Which we CAN NOT) then we did our best to find it. Finally, as you recall, the call was made to simply preemptively strike.
And holy shit am I glad he did.
So, we attacked Iraq for WMDs. Thank you for clarifying that. Oh, and I didn't say anything about the occupation in that paragraph.
Actually, hippies are peace loving people who go out of their way to encourage peace, love, and tolerance.
Last time I checked, hippies didn't have severe anger management problems, carry guns, or hang out with gangbangers. Aren't stereotypes just peachy?
Yes, I'm honestly a little cold hearted, refer back to your hippy crack. However, the fact that something good actually did come from this war doesn't mean that our government should just be let off the hook for all of its wrong doings. I'll keep saying this, since it doesn't seem to sink into anybody's mind: The ends DO NOT justify the means and there is NEVER a valid reason for blatant hypocrisy.
And people say that I'm an arrogant asshole.
Originally posted by Celerity@Feb 1 2005, 11:30 PM
Ted Koscinski, Son of Sam, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson. Aren't accuracies peachier ? (All of these upright citizens thought, in the deepest of their hearts, that what they were doing was right for all. They wanted nothing more than Peace on earth, Tolerance (Well, maybe not the later years Manson) and to be loved. )
We haven't been dirty-nuked. That airplane that the ShoeBomber was on didn't go down. The US Borders remain safe. There are no Civilian casualties, and not one terrorist attack on US soil since September 11th - The day that President George W Bush stook up to the world and said "No. Not here. Not now. Not ever."
The Ends DID Justify the means. As a nation we turned to Bush and said, in a unified voice "Protect us ! Don't let terrorism hit our land again!" And Bush rose to this challenge unequivically. No one would have answered the call so diffidently and with such resounding force. Bush, his Draconian law, and yes - Even the Evil mr Rumsfeld (I don't like him either, don't worry) are some of the people responsible for our safety today. And yes - We knew all along there would be changes in rights - And we were told that these changes would make us safer people.
And they haven't lied.
Last year the Assault weapons ban lifted - If but slightly. I feel 100% more safe knowing that the population I live in is now armed - Arming a populace is not the action of a tyrannt, or of a control freak, or of an overlord - Of which Bush has been blamed of being over and over again.
"The first thing they will do is take your weapons away" These words resound in my head daily. They were spoken to me by Saul Snodgrass, a Dauchau prisoner survivor. "We gave up our guns so readily, because we were so safe. When we were completely disarmed, they came for us with no resistance"
I'm done with my personal responses for you and your sake. Please, remember that I'm not attacking you - This is just text on a screen. I appreciate the conversation here, and I appreciate you putting in your opinion. If I type alittle "Terse" or "Surly" it's because this is a very serious topic in a serious time - And I am committed to squelching the lies and misconceptions about what is going on in the world - good or bad.
-> Steve
I will, someday, post my feelings towards Liberals in general. Wait to the day I explode on that.
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Originally posted by Sabz5150@Feb 1 2005, 11:25 PM
Okay, I'll bite
You might be a conservative if:
* You watch the Rush Limbaugh show the same way your kid watches "Barney
and Friends"
This is dumb
* You believe an adulterer who served his wife divorce papers while she
was in the hospital and later had to be taken to court for lack of child
support payments named Newt when he talks about how he's for "Family
Values"
John Kerry enulled his previous marriage, leaving a child behind because he didn't want her getting his money
* You complain about the "liberal media" on any of the numerous
conservative political TV/radio talk shows.
Complaint is the road to change
* You have a bumper sticker that says "Insured by Smith and Wessen"
"Wesson" and responsible gun owners know that no car in the world is worth firing a bullet. it's called "Humor"
* You believe the hole in the ozone layer to be a myth created by crazy
liberals.
Or, you believe that something should be done about it. In fact, you become the #1 donor of money, equipment and manpower to correct the problem
* You believe the Holocaust to be a myth created by crazy liberals.
I don't get where you see this one.
* You fervently speak about the evils of marijuana at social gatherings
with a vodka straight in hand.
Kennedies.
* You believe the Constitution states the Christianity is our official
religion.
The nation is formed under the name of God. That's it, buddy. Nothing more to talk about. What IS covered is your freedom of religion. And we're the only ones that guarantee it.
* You molest campaign workers, then lie about it on national television...
oops, my mistake... that's "You might be Newt Gingrinch if.."
Ooops.. your mistake. That's the Kennedies again.
* You think the words feminist and lesbian are synonyms.
You think the words Conservative and Redneck are synonyms.
* If you fit any of Jeff Foxworthy's "You might be a redneck if..."
Case in point.
* You believe every man, woman, child and fetus should be armed to the
teeth with AK-47's, hand grenades, handguns, and any other weapon
imaginable.
No, I do believe that responsible, capable people should do whatever they want in the pursuit of Freedom, Liberty and Justice. Imagine that. Also, I know that only two people fear an armed populace: Criminals and Tyrants.
* You actually believe that people actually own AK-47's for "hunting
purposes"
We know full well that they dont' own them for hunting. We came up with that excuse in an effort to bypass legislation which intends to disarm a populace - see also "Criminals and Tyrants"
* You have faith in idiotic economic policies such as "trickle down
economics"
God bless it, it was the richest time in US history - Moreso than the Roaring 20s.
* You don't see why everyone's so down on Mark Fuhrman.
We DO see why everyone is so down on Rodney King.
* You think that Michaelangelo's David should be wearing boxers at the
least.
The same man that brought you "Trickle Down" and "The successful, bloodless end of the cold war" also brought record-breaking funding for arts. Continued on by his Vice President for 4 years before Clinton brought it down for technology funding during the DotCom Farce.
* The hostess at the Sizzler knows you by name.
And I know hers. Moving on..
* You have a button that says "I'm not prejudice, I hate everyone"
As worn by Senator Byrd, a card-carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan, Democratic party member, and primary roadblock to the appointment of a black woman in a high position. Yes, he IS a KKK Member. Unabashedly.
* You can ask your daddy to bail you out when you lose hundreds of
thousands of dollars from embezzling S&L's
Instead of marrying the daughter of an oil Emir for business needs.
* Your main source for news is an egocentric man named Rush who distorts
facts consistantly to fit his views and opinions.
I defer to Ahedau's comparison
* You want to find another out-of-work actor to play the figurehead for
the Republican party (perhaps Bonzo's free)
Ouch. That hurts. Besides, at last count, Liberals had all the actors.
* Your response to anything Bill Clinton says includes a reference to
Arkansas hillbillies.
No, it usually includes a referrence to how many people happened to die when they spoke out against him in Arkansas - How his croney Clark almost started WWIII by issueing a command to attack a Russian installation in the Baltics, And about how he cheated on his wife in the oval office.
* You still attempt to defend Dan Quayle's intelligence.
While every democratic voting record, education background, military service and personal event goes unchecked.
* You get offended if someone is unusually quiet on the way to a funeral...
oops, sorry, my fault again... thats another "You might be Newt
Gingrinch..."
Huh ?
* You refuse to talk to your sister because she's a lesbian... dangit,
sorry...once again, another "You might be Newt..."
I refuse to talk to my sister because she's a liberal
* You obsessively impose your own morality upon others.
Uh huh.
* You wish to ammend the Constitution to make desecration of the flag
illegal.
Everyone has wishes. There are people out there who wish to make gay marriages an amendment. There are people who want to change the bill of rights so that Arnold Schwarzenegger can run for president. There are people who want cats given suffrage.
* You wish to rewrite the first ammendment to make desecration of the
flag illegal.
Are you reading this while you copy and paste ?
* You wish to rewrite the first commandment to make desecration of the
flag illegal (and here, you thought you were such a good Christian...)
I'm lost
* You believe that if parents and teachers don't mention sex to a child
until s/he is 25, then s/he won't even know it exists until then.
Same goes if you don't teach them about the Berlin Wall.
* You think Clarence Thomas is a good spokesman for the black community.
I think Anita Hill is a good spokesman for the black community. How about that ?
* You must first don rubber gloves before shaking hands with a homosexual.
Never happened.
* You attribute the lack of close families to Murphy Brown.
I thought we weren't giving Dan Quayle any creedence..
* You helped to ban Beavis from saying "fire", yet keep a loaded handgun
in the house (doesn't matter if it's hidden.. your kid knows where it
is, trust me.)
Tipper Gore did this. That's Al's wife, if you didn't know. Rock the Vote !
* You have a sticker saying "Guns don't kill people, people do" (and I
suppose those little bullet things are harmless too)
I'm willing to bet a million dollars that a bullet won't harm anything.
* You believe that everyone else should hold the same moralistic and
political views as you, and by God, you're going to see to it that they
do!
That's what expression is !
and finally...
* You believed anything on the previous "You might be a liberal if..." list.
I'm a Conservative !!
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I don't mind people having a gun, hell I own a shottie. I do mind people having TONS OF GUNS. Do you need a dozen portable howitzers? Hell, you can't even shoot them at the same time.
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
Well, 9/11 did happen, and on Bush's watch.
Originally posted by Celerity@Feb 1 2005, 11:51 PM
The nation is formed under the name of God. That's it, buddy. Nothing more to talk about. What IS covered is your freedom of religion. And we're the only ones that guarantee it.
Did I pass ?
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Originally posted by Celerity@Feb 2 2005, 12:01 AM
Another quickie:
I don't mind people having a gun, hell I own a shottie. I do mind people having TONS OF GUNS. Do you need a dozen portable howitzers? Hell, you can't even shoot them at the same time.
I'm working on that...
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
I'm going to think about this one until blood squirts from my nose.
Seriously.. Explain that one.
Well, 9/11 did happen, and on Bush's watch.
And the Terrorist hostages were held for months on Carter's watch, and on the day that Reagan was inaugurated.... What happened ? And Lockerby ? And Iran Contra? and the USS Cole ? I suppose that Ike was to blame for WWII.
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