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Underage Military Personnel Debate
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you can't do that. you can't have people under 21 drink on base and not off. you know why? because they would get drunk and go off base.
and don't tell me, "oh they would stay on base." or the mp's would stop them. it's not going to happen that way.
i was stationed in utah where the legal age to buy cigarettes was 19. we had people getting busted for cigs off base. it's a management nightmare. the u.s. is just anal about drinking. if you want to drink, go to canada.
if you are so obsessed with caring about drinking underage, you are very immature. get drunk at home. people who are under 21 are SUPPOSED to be less mature than those over 21. Yes, i understand 21 year olds are immature, but they should be better than 18 year olds and make better decisions.
and don't tell me, "oh they would stay on base." or the mp's would stop them. it's not going to happen that way.
i was stationed in utah where the legal age to buy cigarettes was 19. we had people getting busted for cigs off base. it's a management nightmare. the u.s. is just anal about drinking. if you want to drink, go to canada.
if you are so obsessed with caring about drinking underage, you are very immature. get drunk at home. people who are under 21 are SUPPOSED to be less mature than those over 21. Yes, i understand 21 year olds are immature, but they should be better than 18 year olds and make better decisions.
basically.
drbelanger73
Beer is good for you.
See I have to remind myself that there are still branches of the service that know what the acronym NCO means. That and the Marines still value things like personal honor and accountability. The other side of the Navy is a little less up to speed lets say...
In the Navy an E5 isn't shit. I get kids saying shit to me that I would never have dreamed of saying to my Sgt. I would have had to pick my ass up off the deck afterward. Course this is the Navy not the Army or Marines. Hell when I was a Specialist i had more authority than I do now...
I'm glad somebody is keeping it real out there still...
this is a touchy subject for me. i guess since i was in the air force, there was more intelligence expected out of us. we didn't get promoted based on how many push ups we could do or how fast we run 6 miles. we were tested on our jobs and compared to others with our same career. I suppose you can't really promote and test how well you can shoot people or take over a barricaded house or something.
I believe only military personnel should be able to drink at 18. Meaning, any kid at 18 cant drink, but an 18 year old in the service can. Thanks to this frame of thinking me and my friends could buy alcohol in HS. The liquor store we went to served to 18 year olds with a military id. Yea it is a risk, but the owner believed that serving your country was honorable and you should be able to have a beer if you wanted one.
As far as the draft, if it was brought back I would disappear. Call me a draft dodger or whatever, but I believe there are enough problems that can be solved in this country that are ignored to go to other countries and try to solve their problems for them when they didn't ask for the help in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I support the troops to the utmost. I have A LOT of friends who are serving, have served, in foreign countries, combat and not. I just don't agree with what we are doing as a country and shit is still fucked up here.
As far as the draft, if it was brought back I would disappear. Call me a draft dodger or whatever, but I believe there are enough problems that can be solved in this country that are ignored to go to other countries and try to solve their problems for them when they didn't ask for the help in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I support the troops to the utmost. I have A LOT of friends who are serving, have served, in foreign countries, combat and not. I just don't agree with what we are doing as a country and shit is still fucked up here.
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drbelanger73
Beer is good for you.
Napoleon's reign was finally ended with a massive alliance of powers with a collective interest.
The mere thought that a nation with no king in the center of an aristocratic europe might be allowed to continue was unthinkable. Other countries were desperately afraid that their own subjects might rise against them with this example. America actually had succeeded only a few decades before.
The same will happen in Iraq. They will never ally with Israel and the other aristocracies cannot allow them to survive. The only way to win it is to knock the whole region over and start again. We aren't going to do this. This is why i was against the war. Go all the way or don't go.
My comment about the draft is this:
People getting killed over there are dying in their third and fourth tours. Stop loss keeps people from getting out. If more people's asses were on the line there might be a little more resistance to stupidity around here. Real easy to say we have to rally around the president when your ass will never be on the line.
I wouldn't blame you for trying to get out of it. The whole thing is pointless unless we do it right. We should just subcontract it to Israel like I said someplace else. They will get it done right...
The mere thought that a nation with no king in the center of an aristocratic europe might be allowed to continue was unthinkable. Other countries were desperately afraid that their own subjects might rise against them with this example. America actually had succeeded only a few decades before.
The same will happen in Iraq. They will never ally with Israel and the other aristocracies cannot allow them to survive. The only way to win it is to knock the whole region over and start again. We aren't going to do this. This is why i was against the war. Go all the way or don't go.
My comment about the draft is this:
People getting killed over there are dying in their third and fourth tours. Stop loss keeps people from getting out. If more people's asses were on the line there might be a little more resistance to stupidity around here. Real easy to say we have to rally around the president when your ass will never be on the line.
I wouldn't blame you for trying to get out of it. The whole thing is pointless unless we do it right. We should just subcontract it to Israel like I said someplace else. They will get it done right...
We have enough irresponsible 18 year old kids behind the wheels of cars, I don't think adding alcohol to the equation is such a smart thing. However I do believe that if you are old enough to defend our country you are old enough to drink. If they only allowed it on base I would be for it, but there would have to be some sort of supervision put in place.
Now what kind of sense does that make???
trying_to_sell_my_honda
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im 17 and in the U.S.M.C.
for everyone that doesnt know what that is
its the MARINES
anyway i leave for bootcamp july 7th
and i agree with most of the guys on here
that drinking for military personel
should be able to drink on base ONLY
drunk military personel do not mix with civis
its just a bad combination
for everyone that doesnt know what that is
its the MARINES
anyway i leave for bootcamp july 7th
and i agree with most of the guys on here
that drinking for military personel
should be able to drink on base ONLY
drunk military personel do not mix with civis
its just a bad combination
My personall opinion being in the Navy is that we should be allowed to drink at 18 on base. Eventhough it doesn't affect me anymore but I've seen more people get into trouble for doing dumb shit out in town and drinking underage. If they were allowed to drink on base I don't think they would do some of the stupid stuff they do out in town because of fear of getting in trouble on base.
i hate to break it to you son, if you haven't gone to boot camp yet, you aren't "in" the marines.
93civicracer
Oh, I do a little here and there.
Old enough to get shot, old enough to drink a shot.
Because with more responsibility, (willing to get blown up for your country) comes more privilege (drinking at 18).
And I could handle boot camp, no doubt in my mind. It's the bullshit after that would kill me.
