B18C1civic96
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get the gsr if gona go all motor; get the b20 and turbocharge it
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Originally posted by 92b16vx+Dec 22 2003, 04:05 PM-->adnoh@Dec 22 2003, 09:47 PM
Most of us dont really have the money to go fast on a track considering the amount of mods required to help a civic pull respectable numbers on a road course. So that leaves us with going fast in a straight line for the least amount of cash right?
Suspension upgrades are cheaper than building an engine, and suspension owns road courses. It cost a lot more to get a civic to pull competitive times in the quarter.
Originally posted by adnoh@Dec 23 2003, 04:08 PM
Case and point: To make a civic pull great road course times, it needs the balance between power and handling.....it simply cant keep up with near stock power on the straights, and anyone who goes carting on the weekends knows full well that the straight is just as important as the turn.
.....it's the v-tech under the hood.
(once again, not trying to offend or start arguements)
Originally posted by B18C1civic96@Dec 22 2003, 07:10 PM
get the gsr if gona go all motor; get the b20 and turbocharge it
Originally posted by 92b16vx@Dec 23 2003, 11:21 AM
Damn that was one long sentence, of course the total can be brought down by doing the labor yourself, shopping around for used or cheaper parts, just pointing out that just because an engine makes more power, doesn't mean that it is always the best route by which to accomplish your goals...
it included the tranny, axels, ECU, Full wiring harness, All required Cables , Distributor, Complete Intake Manifold, Alternator, A/C Power Steering Pump,All Brackets and Sensors (pretty much a front clip), everything I needed.
My mechanic picked it up for me for $1200 (Canadian dollars). It was mint.
Originally posted by 92b16vx@Dec 23 2003, 02:08 PM
it included the tranny, axels, ECU, Full wiring harness, All required Cables , Distributor, Complete Intake Manifold, Alternator, A/C Power Steering Pump,All Brackets and Sensors (pretty much a front clip), everything I needed.
My mechanic picked it up for me for $1200 (Canadian dollars). It was mint.
Like whoa, that is a very atypical price, even 1st gen B don't go that low, on an average. Good deal.
Originally posted by pissedoffsol+Dec 23 2003, 12:42 PM-->B18C1civic96@Dec 22 2003, 07:10 PM
get the gsr if gona go all motor; get the b20 and turbocharge it
frankly, i'd do the exact opposite.
Originally posted by EJdmB18C@Jan 1 2004, 08:06 PM
GSR...B20VTEC ISNT RELIABLE
Originally posted by littlehatch@Jan 1 2004, 09:09 PM
you can have a/c in a eg civic with an h22. i've seen it myself. i'm not sure about the power steering but i think you can use it also but even if you can't it's not bad without it.
Originally posted by adnoh+Dec 23 2003, 10:08 AM-->E_SolSi@Dec 23 2003, 12:46 AM
It's a little off this topic but here is a theoretical situation:
2 civics, both 5G DX's........
1 civic goes for suspention,
the other goes for power.
Both woth a budget of say.....$4500.
The first civic spends $3500 on suspention(including labour). (Nice Competition coilover setup, bushings, sway bars, tie bars...all the usual suspects), Then spends $1000 on some bolt on performance for his stock D15A (Cat back exhaust, cold air intake, mabey some pulleys or cam gears ect......or whatever). Lets say that he even goes one step further and does some weight reduction, gutting the interior of all but the drivers seat.
The second civic (lets just take my car for instance [not that Im saying that its anything special]) spends $3500 on power (including labour). (H22 swap, cold air intake, cat back exhaust, piggyback ECU), then spends $1000 on some basic suspention upgrades (basic matched spring/strut set) and mabey spends the leftover few hundred on some good brake pads and some cheap slotted rotors. This civic also gets gutted of all but the drivers seat.
Lets also say that both cars have some upgraded 15" rims and some sticky rubber.
The two civics (with the same driver) then go to compete at the track and the drag strip. On the track (lets say a figure 8 style with equal straights and turns) The suspention civic pulls off a 16 second quarter, then goes hard and perfectly through the curves, but then again loafs down the straights. The power civic on the other hand, pulls off a mid 12 second quarter, has to slow down more than the other car for the curves, but then blasts down the straights like a jet fighter.
Originally posted by E_SolSi+Jan 2 2004, 01:55 AM-->EJdmB18C@Jan 1 2004, 08:06 PM
GSR...B20VTEC ISNT RELIABLE
its as reliable as you build it
build it well and it will be as reliable as a GSR or more
build it like shit and it will be shit