Chiquita Bananna funding terror? WTF?!

[posol]

its no different than the italians in NYC ~ the 40's....

 

[reckedracing]

they could just hire blackwater like the US gov't does in iraq...

speaking of which
anyone hear how blackwater is telling congress its paper work is CLASSIFIED?
lmfao

 

[Cashizslick]

the situation down there is a problem but that doesn't absolve a corporate entity from giving millions of $ to a terrorist organization. You want to critique your country when it acts, and when it doesn't act.

Ok, so wtf else should they do professor? You prance around this site like some kind of all knowing asshat - solve the moral dilemma faced by the banana company?? Its a tough place to be when you have to do something you dont want to do to survive.

Quit dancing around the large issues here and try and hit the nail on the head.

if this had been a headline saying America was ignoring their funding of terror you'd jump to the other side of this issue so fast it would make your head spin

Oh would I? Didnt know you knew me that well.

Here is a quick fact - i support the IRA.

if nothing else understand this, Sabz and I actually agree on something, during these rare occurrences the chance for us actually being on the wrong side of this issue is negligible.

Ok great cool awesome excellent.

go play FFVII

Its a played out game i no longer own.


Now stop playing politician by changing the subject, try to use some of the mental prowess you feel you have been blessed with, and field some of the REAL issues that are prevalent in this situation.

As an opressed conservative, you should be able to see that basic need of survival for Chiquita is their most prevalent issue.

in doing that they perpetuate what you claim they see as a problem. The company could have asked for help citing what they had to do to remain safe, they didn't. And that's why their in trouble

Ok, so the company calls up the US government and says, "Help, we have to fund terror to survive". WTF you think is gonna happen Einstein?? You think US troops are gonna barge into the jungles of Columbia? NO

This is ONLY a publicity stunt BY THE US GOVERNMENT to safe face.

 

[Capt. Orygun]

This is ONLY a publicity stunt BY THE US GOVERNMENT to safe face.

well if this place is so horrible leave. By elevating their problem to the government you put the ball in their court, either they act or they can't fault you for staying alive. The banana company didn't care about the moral implications of their actions and the government is taking steps in accordance with the policies of the war on terror.

 

[Sabz5150]

the situation down there is a problem but that doesn't absolve a corporate entity from giving millions of $ to a terrorist organization. You want to critique your country when it acts, and when it doesn't act.

if this had been a headline saying America was ignoring their funding of terror you'd jump to the other side of this issue so fast it would make your head spin

if nothing else understand this, Sabz and I actually agree on something, during these rare occurrences the chance for us actually being on the wrong side of this issue is negligible.

go play FFVII

Amazing, isn't it?

Funding terrorism is funding terrorism is funding terrorism. You can't say that you are fighting terrorism wherever it exists then turn around and allow a corporation to funnel US DOLLARS into other terror organizations just so they can turn a profit. That makes our efforts look less genuine and more like... a war for oil.

I'll side with anyone that says that terror must be stopped in all forms. I may not agree with the Iraq war, but I certainly agree that terror must be exterminated.

That gives those death squads and terror groups the money and arms required to do exactly what Saddam Hussein did to his people. And if those groups threaten our country, are you still willing to say "Ho hum, at least I have my 'nanners!"

Funding terror, no matter the reason, is wrong.

 

[Capt. Orygun]

Amazing, isn't it?

I know, I'm gonna go lay down for awhile

 

[Citizen_Insane]

Actually, I'm guessing that paying for illegal "security forces" was probably the best way for them to avoid conflict in this situation. Silver, you always act like you have way more information than everyone else...and you don't, none of us know jack shit about the specific circumstances of this issue.

 

[Celerity]

General Electric has death squads.

 

[phyregod]

So, chaquita was paying the mob to not kill them and burn their crops. Yeah, they were "funding" terrorists.

Now that they were "cought" funding terrorism, they were sued?? I would think that would lead to a no-trade in the US vs that company. I mean, I can go to wally-world and snag a bunch of chaquita bananas right now.

That being said, now what does chaquita do? They will now pay two mafias. The terrorists and the US. Because they will have to pay for "protection" (aka, dont kill me) from the terrorists, and then turn around and pay these lawsuits from the US so they can continue doing business here.

Poor company doesnt have a choice.

Either that, or its a massive terrorist organisation who is plotting to totally jack the US. Think about it. Chaquita bananas imported with a deadly strain of virus. They would hit the shelves of every grocery store in america, which would cause an outbreak so fierce there would be nowhere to run. Not to mention the smuggling potential. They cant check every single crate of bananas that comes out of chaquita, that would be crazy. They could pack all kinds of crazy things in them. Dirty bombs, chemical weapons, etc. They have their own distribution set up all over the US that distributes daily. We could be taken out by a banana factory. And noone would expect a thing.. I mean.. Its a banana for crying out loud.. You cant point a suspicious finger at a banana.

 

[Capt. Orygun]

you guys purposely missed the point. They didn't report their situation to govt agencies, that and giving them millions make them accomplices

 

[Cashizslick]

well if this place is so horrible leave. By elevating their problem to the government you put the ball in their court, either they act or they can't fault you for staying alive. The banana company didn't care about the moral implications of their actions and the government is taking steps in accordance with the policies of the war on terror.

Your self righteous thinking is asinine. . . as are the US govt's actions in this situation.

Bro, you cant expect somebody to just pack up their things and move from their home. . . . much less spend billions moving the entire Chiquita banana company away from Columbia, (where the owners where probably born/raised, where the BEST bananas grow, with a 365 day growing season, etc ) - to a place where they will have to pay more money each year to stay in business, all the while producing "sub par" bananas.

Here is the real point you refuse to see:

Chiquita has been doing this for years, they have always been based in country where mob-rule is the law. They have been giving the mob kickbacks since their existance and the US decides to fine them now??.

Why didnt they get fined before 2000 when terrorism wasnt an issue when Chiquita had been "funding terror" the entire time???

The whole thing is a front by the US government to save face. End of story.

Funding terrorism is funding terrorism is funding terrorism. You can't say that you are fighting terrorism wherever it exists then turn around and allow a corporation to funnel US DOLLARS into other terror organizations just so they can turn a profit. That makes our efforts look less genuine and more like... a war for oil.

I'll side with anyone that says that terror must be stopped in all forms. I may not agree with the Iraq war, but I certainly agree that terror must be exterminated.

That gives those death squads and terror groups the money and arms required to do exactly what Saddam Hussein did to his people. And if those groups threaten our country, are you still willing to say "Ho hum, at least I have my 'nanners!"

Funding terror, no matter the reason, is wrong.

I agree that terror should be stopped, but you have to consider all the facts here:

1.) Is the current Columbian ruling authority (aka government) a terror organization just because the USA says it is?

- I dont think so, how is it different from any of those Arab nations that the US deals with??

2.) How is it legit to say the USA is doing the right thing by punishing a good company for doing what it has to in order to survive??

- Terror or not, the company HAD NO REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE method of dealing with their situation. In order to make the best bananas on earth, you have got to be in Columbia . . .

If you genuinely feel that the Columbian gov't IS a terror organization, and that the company SHOULD move away from Columbia or stay & die because they didnt pay, then i guess there is just no convincing you (and hence no point arguing ).

All i can say at that point is that your moral compass is in need of recalibration lol.

I know, I'm gonna go lay down for awhile

Don't come back unless you plan on bringing something relevant to the table.

Silver, you always act like you have way more information than everyone else...and you don't, none of us know jack shit about the specific circumstances of this issue.

Exactly. Trying to waltz around Hondaswap like you are the voice of God has gotten really old.

Rest up Silver - tomorrow is another big day of being cool on the internet.

 

[Capt. Orygun]

but I'm cool in real life, ask ur mom

I don't say I'm cool, but I'm educated and was raised around politics. I stay current on world events, and BTW I wrote for 411politics until I stepped down due to scheduling conflicts

the people who said I was cool were my fucking readers, and the fact of the matter here is outside of Sabz, Cel, and LSVTEC there aren't many of you on here who can lace my boots politically

 

[Cashizslick]

but I'm cool in real life, ask ur mom

joke bro - i think we all heard that one before you were born.

I don't say I'm cool, but I'm educated and was raised around politics. I stay current on world events, and BTW I wrote for 411politics until I stepped down due to scheduling conflicts

woo really? And that means what to me? You are better than the rest of us??

the people who said I was cool were my fucking readers, and the fact of the matter here is outside of Sabz, Cel, and LSVTEC there aren't many of you on here who can lace my boots politically

Hahaha - You think you actually know something?

Everytime you have been logged onto this thread and touched your keyboard you have proven you are a fucking retard.

"Lacing your boots politically" does not even come close to the ownage you have brought down upon yourself in this thread

Just admit you didnt clearly think thru the entirety of this issue - and opened your mouth before connecting all the dots . . . its that easy smart guy.

 

[Capt. Orygun]

no, you just don't know what your talking about.

teaching geo politics to 90% of the people on this website is like trying to talk about internal combustion with the Amish

EDIT: I'm done here, I'm not spoon feeding you anymore

 

[phyregod]

Political laces? That the new fad? I want some!!!

Mine are cotton. Or, some synthetic variation thereof.

 

[Cashizslick]

I thought i told you not to come back here w/out bringing anything relevant to the table.

EDIT: I'm done here, I'm not spoon feeding you anymore

:violin:

Spoon feeding me with what?? You have offered no intellectual perspectives on this subject other than, "USA Good, Terror Bad!". Everytime a point has been brought up which blows your argument out of the water, you have offered NO debate whatsoever. You're not political, your just a dumbass who thinks they have a brain.

Get off your high horse - your the typical college idiot who is eroding this country. . . Thinking you are better than 90% of the people you will ever meet.

The only reason people on this site have allowed you to feel smart is because nobody feels like dealing with your white collier, sheltered, bullshit perspectives.

You are a moron who knows nothing. Please, spare us your classroom political bullshit from this thread going foreword.

 

[reckedracing]

the sad truth of the matter is that bribes and payoffs are most definitely a very much alive part of the way things operate these days

Chiquita sold off the Colombian operations to a subsidiary and things will continue like normal, except the subsidiary will pay and not the US based company

 

[klyph]

I like bananas

 

[Cashizslick]

the sad truth of the matter is that bribes and payoffs are most definitely a very much alive part of the way things operate these days

Chiquita sold off the Colombian operations to a subsidiary and things will continue like normal, except the subsidiary will pay and not the US based company

I cant believe the US Government made this happen.

$1.7 million over the past 10 years = 170k/year.

Thats immaterial . . the government is just trying to save face. Such B/S.

 

[phyregod]

Yeah, 170k is only a pile of grenades, RPGs, rocket launchers, assault rifles and assorted explosives. No need to worry about that.

They were getting a good deal though. Try to get any legal security force to sign a contract for that much per year. It would be either impossible, or you'd get really crappy security. (picture a single, overweight guy with a 9mm sitting in a shack watching TV)